Shantanu
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The way I see it is the longer I survive the more angry they become and that is worth surviving to see.
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Do you see other human beings as enemy?
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Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
That is your way
Shantanu
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As an advaitin I believe that one must do ones dharma and resist persecution with effective means.That is your way
Spirit of Light
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As long i do not harm others i would say i am doing it right. Even for the guys who bullied me i have no hurtful thoughts or feelings toward them, it is so many years since they bullied me that no need to hold on to it
Shantanu
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My persecution by the UK State continues unabated even as I write, so I have to deal with it the best way possible.
syo
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I used to see people as enemies. I thought everyone was out to get me. I disliked human nature. But this changed. I realised that the human nature isn't to be hated. I accepted human nature and thus I loved people.
I dont see Human beings as Animals
But they are. Vertebrate, mammal, primate, ape, to be precise.
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That's commendable, but doesn't seem to address what preceded it. You wrote, "Why do people see some people as their enemy? I just dont get it," and I answered, "Some people are enemies. They either intend to harm you or are willing to do so. Shouldn't such a person be viewed as an enemy and treated accordingly?"
I don't see an answer to my question there, just the repetition of your original point. OK, you don't hate them or wish them harm. But you also seem to be unwilling to see somebody who wishes you harm as an enemy. Acknowledging that such a person is an enemy does not require that you hate them or want to harm them, but it should entail some adjustment in how you deal with such a person as a matter of caution.
If your philosophy requires that you not recognize that some people mean you harm or that you have a right and perhaps even a responsibility to defend against being harmed, I think that your philosophy leaves you needlessly vulnerable to that harm.
Actually, all known sentient beings are animals.
That's not part of the definition of animal. No part of biology's definition of animal addresses whether animals are or are not able to accomplish whatever attaining dhamma is. An animal is a multicellular creature usually capable of ambulation, whose cells have a characteristic morphology (eukaryotic cells lacking a cell membrane, etc.).
Universal forgiveness, like loving enemies, is overrated. I neither harbor anger nor seek revenge, but I also don't forget that a person has betrayed me, nor do I allow them to do so again. Do you?
That's a religious belief that you have chosen to embrace for whatever your reasons. I have no reason to believe that.
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In a more abstract sense, my enemies are not other people.
My enemies are thought patterns and behaviors - both my own and those of others.
However, in practice, I do oppose behaviors that I view as harmful.
In opposing those behaviors, do I make an enemy of those actions alone, or does that extend to the person carrying out the actions? What if it came to a matter of life and death?
Would I see someone as an enemy in that critical moment?
I think I likely would if I'm honest with myself.
Regardless, I would still be opposing that person's harmful intent, and therefore I would be hostile to them to some degree.
So, at what point does my fellow human then become my enemy?
My enemies are thought patterns and behaviors - both my own and those of others.
However, in practice, I do oppose behaviors that I view as harmful.
In opposing those behaviors, do I make an enemy of those actions alone, or does that extend to the person carrying out the actions? What if it came to a matter of life and death?
Would I see someone as an enemy in that critical moment?
I think I likely would if I'm honest with myself.
Regardless, I would still be opposing that person's harmful intent, and therefore I would be hostile to them to some degree.
So, at what point does my fellow human then become my enemy?
Spirit of Light
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1: No i do not see someone who harm me or attack me as my enemy.
2: As long i do not harm them or show intent to be in their way, they do not have a reason to attack me, but if they did anyway, it is them who do wrong deed, that will be on them, That i choose not to defend my self does not make me do a wrong deed, not in my view.
3: You have different view of animals then i do, but that is ok.
4: If you have no interest in the buddhist teaching that is ok, i can not and will not force it upon you
5; I forgive them and go on with my life
I don't get it either. We are all just human. Nothing even to forgive.
Faithofchristian
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If someone attack you want to kill you.
Would you consider them as a friend or and enemy ?
I dont think you would want to consider them as a friend.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
I consider them as a fellow human being, I do not see other people as my enemy
Shantanu
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I just thought that Homo sapeins are descendants of Homo erectus and Homo habilis before that but the first signs of civilised behaviour known to us were from, 40,000 years ago so some dramatic genetic change must have taken place in evolution.
Faithofchristian
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I don't see other people as my enemy.
Until they attack me, without a cause.
Then they become my enemy.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Then that is your way of reacting to it. I chose to not act upon it
Faithofchristian
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What makes you think that you should not do anything
Spirit of Light
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I do not see the need to harm others, even they try to harm me i have compassoin toward them, because i can see they will suffer from what they do when they harm others. My mind is calm and i see no need to use force toward others.
Faithofchristian
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That's the whole thing, your not using force against someone else.
All your doing is defending yourself.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
If you see staying calm as a form of defending my self then yes