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Evidences Supporting the Biblical Flood

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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Wild Fox said:
Is that exactly what Jesus said? Did Jesus actually say he was the only one who gets it right? If that is the case and he argued for Jewish law and beliefs then wouldn't Christians want to become Jewish?
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First of all, the temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law was only for one nation, the nation of 'ancient' Israel.
Jesus fulfilled the Law (Romans 10:4), so since Pentecost his followers are: Christians.
Jesus first went to the Jews to become his Christian followers - Luke 4:43
Then, at Pentecost, the way was opened up for the Samaritans.
And then, the people of the gentile nations were offered Christianity.
 
Bear Wild

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
URAVIP2ME said:
First of all, the temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law was only for one nation, the nation of 'ancient' Israel.
Jesus fulfilled the Law (Romans 10:4), so since Pentecost his followers are: Christians.
Jesus first went to the Jews to become his Christian followers - Luke 4:43
Then, at Pentecost, the way was opened up for the Samaritans.
And then, the people of the gentile nations were offered Christianity.
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He did not go to the Jews to become Christians. Jesus went to the Jews to better follow the Jewish faith. Jesus never said become Christian.
 
Hockeycowboy

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Drunk_Uncle_Bob said:
Alright. But how could any be upright if the cause of death was drowning?
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The cause of death, for some of those discovered, was asphyxiation. How? These few became instantly encapsulated by the ice! While they were erect.

"Vollosovitch concluded that his second buried mammoth, found with a penile erection on Bolshoi Lyakhov Island, had suffocated. One mammoth named Dima was found to have pulmonary edema, suggesting death by asphyxia after great exertion just before death. The Pallas rhinoceros also showed symptoms of asphyxiation."

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  • Upright position: 112 mammoths, including the Berevoska one, were found in an upright position."
Excerpts from -- Of Flash Frozen Mammoths and Cosmic Catastrophes -- Sott.net


This guy attributes the catastrophe to a meteor impact. I suggest it was the Flood. A meteor would heat the atmosphere up...it would be a BBQ. Not a frozen dinner.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Hockeycowboy said:
The cause of death, for some of those discovered, was asphyxiation. How? These few became instantly encapsulated by the ice! While they were erect.

"Vollosovitch concluded that his second buried mammoth, found with a penile erection on Bolshoi Lyakhov Island, had suffocated. One mammoth named Dima was found to have pulmonary edema, suggesting death by asphyxia after great exertion just before death. The Pallas rhinoceros also showed symptoms of asphyxiation."

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  • Upright position: 112 mammoths, including the Berevoska one, were found in an upright position."
Excerpts from -- Of Flash Frozen Mammoths and Cosmic Catastrophes -- Sott.net


This guy attributes the catastrophe to a meteor impact. I suggest it was the Flood. A meteor would heat the atmosphere up...it would be a BBQ. Not a frozen dinner.
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Why do you constantly link joke sites? If the claims are valid there will be real peer reviewed articles that support these claims. By posting such sites you only make a poor joke of your argument.
 
Bear Wild

Bear Wild

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Hockeycowboy said:
The cause of death, for some of those discovered, was asphyxiation. How? These few became instantly encapsulated by the ice! While they were erect.

"Vollosovitch concluded that his second buried mammoth, found with a penile erection on Bolshoi Lyakhov Island, had suffocated. One mammoth named Dima was found to have pulmonary edema, suggesting death by asphyxia after great exertion just before death. The Pallas rhinoceros also showed symptoms of asphyxiation."

"
  • Upright position: 112 mammoths, including the Berevoska one, were found in an upright position."
Excerpts from -- Of Flash Frozen Mammoths and Cosmic Catastrophes -- Sott.net


This guy attributes the catastrophe to a meteor impact. I suggest it was the Flood. A meteor would heat the atmosphere up...it would be a BBQ. Not a frozen dinner.
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A flood would not cause the organisms to be in an upright position. If you have ever seen a flood before you would realize that would not be the way and animal is preserved. Animals decay in water. The flood had nothing to do with this and the evidence testifies to it.
 
Drunk_Uncle_Bob

Drunk_Uncle_Bob

Member
Hockeycowboy said:
The cause of death, for some of those discovered, was asphyxiation. How? These few became instantly encapsulated by the ice! While they were erect.

"Vollosovitch concluded that his second buried mammoth, found with a penile erection on Bolshoi Lyakhov Island, had suffocated. One mammoth named Dima was found to have pulmonary edema, suggesting death by asphyxia after great exertion just before death. The Pallas rhinoceros also showed symptoms of asphyxiation."

"
  • Upright position: 112 mammoths, including the Berevoska one, were found in an upright position."
Excerpts from -- Of Flash Frozen Mammoths and Cosmic Catastrophes -- Sott.net


This guy attributes the catastrophe to a meteor impact. I suggest it was the Flood. A meteor would heat the atmosphere up...it would be a BBQ. Not a frozen dinner.
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But flood waters would have washed away the bodies not froze them where they stood. Asphyxiation from particles in the air (which also blot out the sun causing freezing temperatures) provides a far more likely answer. How could flood waters have brought about these remains as they have been found when all known flood phenomenon differ drastically?
 
Bear Wild

Bear Wild

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Drunk_Uncle_Bob said:
But flood waters would have washed away the bodies not froze them where they stood. Asphyxiation from particles in the air (which also blot out the sun causing freezing temperatures) provides a far more likely answer. How could flood waters have brought about these remains as they have been found when all known flood phenomenon differ drastically?
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It couldn't that's the problem with the flood explanation.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Drunk_Uncle_Bob said:
But flood waters would have washed away the bodies not froze them where they stood. Asphyxiation from particles in the air (which also blot out the sun causing freezing temperatures) provides a far more likely answer. How could flood waters have brought about these remains as they have been found when all known flood phenomenon differ drastically?
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Every flood explanation is loaded with self contradictions, bad science, and outright science denial. It takes a huge amount of denial to believe in a worldwide flood. And a local flood makes the arc superfluous.
 
Hockeycowboy

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Subduction Zone said:
Every flood explanation is loaded with self contradictions, bad science, and outright science denial. It takes a huge amount of denial to believe in a worldwide flood. And a local flood makes the arc superfluous.
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This is funny, since you know scientists share no consensus in explaining the evidence!


NOVA | Megabeasts' Sudden Death | The Extinction Debate | PBS

Yet, the Biblical Flood answers many of the questions, that these scientists struggle with!
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Hockeycowboy said:
This is funny, since you know scientists share no consensus in explaining the evidence!


NOVA | Megabeasts' Sudden Death | The Extinction Debate | PBS

Yet, the Biblical Flood answers many of the questions, that these scientists struggle with!
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So what? You are only making an argument from ignorance now. That is a logical fallacy. And it still does not excuse your use of joke sites.

What you should be trying to do is to understand why we know that there was no flood.

And no, since the flood myth utterly fails it has no explanatory power.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Let me try to help you a bit. Right now there is no evidence for a flood since there is no clear flood hypothesis. A hypothesis must be testable to even have evidence to support it. A hypothesis can also be used to make predictions and it can often be tested based upon the predictions made with it.
 
Hockeycowboy

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Subduction Zone said:
What you should be trying to do is to understand why we know that there was no flood.
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Another baseless statement. You’re full of them.

“Well, we don’t know how to explain all the evidence, but it can’t be a global Flood! It just can’t be!”

The events surrounding the Flood do explain much of what is observed. Fortunately, it’s not altered one bit by your assertions, which always seem to lack references.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Hockeycowboy said:
Another baseless statement. You’re full of them.

“Well, we don’t know how to explain all the evidence, but it can’t be a global Flood! It just can’t be!”

The events surrounding the Flood do explain much of what is observed. Fortunately, it’s not altered one bit by your assertions, which always seem to lack references.
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Oh my. First you tell a blatant falsehood, my statement was not baseless, and then you add to your dishonesty with a strawman argument.

And no, since the flood myth fails epicly it cannot explain anything. This is rather basic logic. Once again you should try to learn why scientists know that it did not happen.

Even if flood believers are too afraid to form a testable hypothesis that does not mean that the concept cannot be tested. For example if you want to claim that only two of each "kind" were on the Ark that alone refutes the story. The lesson of the cheetah tells us why.

You appear to be afraid to learn why we know that there was no flood. Fear of reality should not be part of your religion.
 
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