You'll notice that nobody has provided an answer, except the more violence prone religious conservative members.
Tom
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The United States Now Recognizes Jerusalem As The Capital Of Israel
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Tom
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Why would we not have our embassy in the capital city of a sovereign nation?
My concern would be safety and protection. That city is a hot spot and needs to be handled with care.
Because doing so will require turning the embassy into a fortress like Baghdad or Tripoli, with similar risks. Forbidding and expensive, Trump may as well be deliberately pouring gasoline on a fire.
And doing so serves no purpose of the USA that anybody can describe to me.
Can you give me a hint about how you think that the benefits outweigh the damage and expense of this?
Tom
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Maybe it's time to make a statement to the thugs that wish to impose their will on Israel. This move, BTW, was ratified by Congress in 1995, but no leader evidently had the cajones to implement the action. Is it a dangerous move? Maybe. Should we give in to the radical factions of any area? No.
So you don't have an answer to my question? I don't see one.
Tom
It is complicated, but so long as we are talking generalities, I agree!
Maybe?
Maybe?
Of course it's dangerous. That's why nobody else, including Bush or our allies, did it.
I understand that primitive religionists believe in the magical properties of some dirt. I don't. But they do.
What do you see as the upside here for secular USonian people?
Tom
I agree with Columbus' post # 11. Trump's pandering to his base to bolster his political support. I doubt any of his military advisors or any experts in middle Eastern affairs supported this move.
People are more motivated by symbols than pragmatism, and in a powder keg like the middle East all it takes is a symbolic act to initiate an intifada -- or Arab Spring. It's also likely to derail peace talks and to undermine the US' status as an impartial mediator.
Netanyahu et al?
BSM1
What? Me worry?
So we knuckle under?
Maintain the status quo until there is an advantage to change that outweighs the costs. Trump is knuckling under to the warhawks and religious weirdos.
I still haven't heard of an advantage that justifies so much as the moving expense.
Tom
Phil25
Active Member
I don't really care either way. Jerusalem is the de facto capital of Israel and Trump is only following the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995. Czech Republic also announced today that it is recognizing Jerusalem as the Israeli capital with the other V4 countries(Poland, Slovakia and Hungary) likely to follow.
We know what he's done. But you don't know why.
It could be worse than your claimed knowledge...he could be a
true believer, & not doing this because of the demands of others.
That article makes unwarranted claims, such as:
"Trump’s announcement does not just mean that the US has adopted the Israeli position that Jerusalem belongs exclusively to Israel. He has also retroactively legitimised Israel’s seizure and military occupation of Arab East Jerusalem during the 1967 war, and its imposition of discriminatory laws on hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living there."
Trump's declaration does no such thing. He specifically said that the announcement has nothing to do with supporting any opinion about the borders and that that's to be decided by the two parties. West Jerusalem is recognized as being part of Israel under pre-1967 definitions. It's East Jerusalem that is viewed as contentious. Trump said nothing about an "undivided" or "united" Jerusalem. This is really much ado about nothing and a fake controversy. Israel is a sovereign nation and has the right to declare it's own capital and the western part of Jerusalem is within its recognized territory.
Finally, a President Who Looks at Jerusalem Logically
Worse than that, and much more plausible, he is doing it because Putin wants him to do it.
Tom
Nah...it has the Illuminati's fingerprints all over it.
I believe you were joking, but I wasn't.
If Trump's useless grandstanding serves to keep up the conflict between the USA and everybody in the middle east (except Israeli hardliners), that will serve Putin's goal of making Russians the regional superpower. It's a small thing, but a beginning. Putin obviously wanted Trump to be president for some reason.
People keep asking the question "How did Putin help Trump win the Presidency?" ,when the more important question is "Why did Putin help Trump?"
Tom
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Aww that poor BDS supporter.
Wait I thought this is all the Je... Kushners fault.