Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe I would ask you how you know that anything is true.
I believe the Bible said there is a God but I did not know the truth of that for sure until I called upon Him for help.
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How do I know the Bible is true?
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I believe I would ask you how you know that anything is true.
I believe the Bible said there is a God but I did not know the truth of that for sure until I called upon Him for help.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe you have zero evidence but I have absolutely certain evidence. God says it is.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe I don't see the connection.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
How do you know the bible is true?
That all depends on how much you believe in the bible to be true.
If you do not believe in the bible to be true,
Then it's useless to discuss anything in the Bible with you.
That all depends on how much you believe in the bible to be true.
If you do not believe in the bible to be true,
Then it's useless to discuss anything in the Bible with you.
Phantasman
Well-Known Member
Guess we can throw all that faith stuff out the window. You have proof.
Produce the evidence so we can all be assured.
Phantasman
Well-Known Member
You're mixing truth and understanding. The Jews didn't recognize Jesus. And he WAS the the truth.
When that which is perfect comes, that which is in part is done away.
The OT is in part, and done away with, as we follow perfect.
(of course unless you follow the catholic church fathers)
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
First of all which Jews are you talking about ?
Which Israel is that ?
How do you come by that the old testament as being done away with ?
allfoak
Alchemist
I have been saying this forever.
The Bible was written in the language of the soul.
It is not to be interpreted in the manner in which Christians say it is to be interpreted.
When the Bible is read it is to be interpreted as if it is speaking to us as individuals.
Telling someone else how it is to be understood is like telling someone how to live their life.
The key of knowledge is to turn everything in on ourselves.
We learn who we are through every experience and every circumstance.
I think that what is the most foolish is the idea that none of the Bible can be trusted to be right if it is not considered to be all true and right.
They have to believe that every word should be what God says for any of it to be what God says.
They have to believe that every word should be what God says for any of it to be what God says.
Geoff-Allen
Resident megalomaniac
Phantasman
Well-Known Member
The Jews saw Jesus as Jewish flesh, as most do. A Christian follows Christ, which Jesus became at the Chrism. The word Christ means anointed (by the Spirit). Any human can become a Christ which just means christened (by the Spirit). Jesus became the son of God to teach us how to be sons of God.
The prophets knew this would happen and tried to warn Israel. Only the Jews that understood this were saved.
John 1:
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
The power is the Spirit coming "into" man. It has nothing to do with Jew or Gentile. It is the understanding of the Gospel over everything, including the (lost) path of the Jews.
1 John:
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Read 1 John 5 carefully:
4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
John is not saying to believe Christ "came" IN FLESH, but that Christ "come(s)" into OUR FLESH. Verse 4 explains it, as we are children (sons) of God through the Chrism (Christ) in us. To believe otherwise is antichrist (anti Chrism).
Don't let the liar deceive you, as he did the Jews.
Phantasman
Well-Known Member
You got it. The false gospel Paul speaks of in Galatians is the one the orthodox teaches. Combining the Jews ideology with the Gospel Paul was teaching.
Galatians 1:
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
It's clear that the Gospel Paul was teaching did not come from the OT in any way (as he continues to say in the next 5 chapters, refuting the law and circumcision).
13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
It fits just like the post I made above this one of antichrist. The emerging catholic ideology used the OT to distort the Gospel Paul was teaching. Simply, the importance of flesh and blood.
Paul continues to accuse Peter of this gospel, siding with the Pharisee's, who sought (fleshly) power:
Galatians 2 :
11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Verse 12 has Paul saying that Peter "feared" the Jews. Peter was NO rock. Never was. He is blamed for allowing the gospel to be tainted by Jewish ideology. I side with Paul here.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Look over in Israel you have the good fig tree and the bad fig tree. Now who's, Who ?
Do you understand the Parable of the fig tree ?
Why do you suppose, Christ Jesus said in
Mark 13:28 --"Now learn a Parable of the fig tree"
Notice Christ Jesus said ( Now Learn a Parable of the Fig Tree )
So what is this Parable of the Fig Tree ?
Where do you go to trace down the Start of the Parable of the Fig Tree ?
So where does the Parable of the Fig Tree start?
So if trace down the Parable of the Fig Tree, You will also find there are the Good Fig Tree.
And the bad Fig Tree.
So the question still remains , Who's, Who
Who's the good fig tree in Israel, and Who's the bad fig tree in Israel ?
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SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
And when that doesn't happen, am I safe to conclude that this particular God probably doesn't exist?
And how each narrative relates to the whole? It is in its wholeness that the Bible is truth. In one of the Church's documents, 'The Historical Truth of the Gospels' is stated;
'without error that truth which God wanted put into the sacred writings for the sake of our salvation" (Dei Verbum 11). What is important is the qualification of "that truth" with "for the sake of our salvation." The Bible is not without error.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
For a person to pray, they have to pray in faith in believing in God, that will answer prayers in Accordance to his will.
Therefore that leaves you out, Why you might ask.
Because you already confess, When you said and quote " Am I safe to conclude that this particular God Probably doesn't exist"
Therefore you do not believe in God. If you did you would not made such a statement.
Therefore it wouldn't do you much good to pray, if you do not believe in God.
If people do not believe in God, where does that leave people to stand ?
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DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
No, you are to easily conclude that you lack faith.
Oh, I don't know. LOL If I was a slave (I thank Heaven that I am not!) I would be working for no pay and I would better too.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
DavidFirth, skeptic thinker, already admitted that doesn't believe in God.
By saying ( if this particular God )
Therefore there's your answer.