Epic Beard Man
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Is this one God Brahman? Also do those multiple gods represent this one God?
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Is this one God Brahman? Also do those multiple gods represent this one God?
Grandliseur
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As you may notice, I am Christian and believe that all descend from Noah, etc.
Noah brought with him some material from the antediluvian high tech world, even knowledge his children knew about this and which was given in stories to their children, etc.
At Babel God caused divisions in language and families.
If you look at the Norse mythology, there are a great many parallels to the things we are given in the Bible. This is no accident for we all shared the same stories from Noah and his children. The fact that the names are different, and details also - should not surprise when considering the span of time and the difference God wrought in the languages. Since some of the foundation teachings are the same given a little or a lot of latitude, I would say we are hearing the same message handed down in time through different family and language lines.
The Kilted Heathen
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Such as?
Grandliseur
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Everything is perspective, perhaps yours might not see what I see!
We have Ragnarok and Armageddon.
The story of Ragnarok and the Apocalypse
Quotes from this website.
"Like the Christian apocalypse, Ragnarok sets out a series of signs that will ultimately define the end of times.
... The seas will be torn and the World Serpent, a serpent so large that he surrounds the earth and grasps his own tail, will raise itself from the depths of the oceans to join the battle. The gods Balder and Hod will also return from the dead to fight in this great final battle."
In the Christian Armageddon, the Great Original Serpent and Dragon, Satan, shall try to fight God. The seas in Revelation refer to the sea of mankind in which the Serpent swims and agitates.
"The result of the war will be that Thor and Odin and most of the gods will die, and the dragons will release fire that will destroy all life on Earth.
But this is not the end. Things will start again with a new race, a new world will arise from the depths of the seas"
The result of Armageddon will kill most humans on earth, the Bible calls this destruction - one by fire also. It also is not the end, but the beginning of Paradise.
We have the world of the gods with their families, Asgard. In scripture, we have the realm of the angels and God.Quotes from this website.
"Like the Christian apocalypse, Ragnarok sets out a series of signs that will ultimately define the end of times.
... The seas will be torn and the World Serpent, a serpent so large that he surrounds the earth and grasps his own tail, will raise itself from the depths of the oceans to join the battle. The gods Balder and Hod will also return from the dead to fight in this great final battle."
In the Christian Armageddon, the Great Original Serpent and Dragon, Satan, shall try to fight God. The seas in Revelation refer to the sea of mankind in which the Serpent swims and agitates.
"The result of the war will be that Thor and Odin and most of the gods will die, and the dragons will release fire that will destroy all life on Earth.
But this is not the end. Things will start again with a new race, a new world will arise from the depths of the seas"
The result of Armageddon will kill most humans on earth, the Bible calls this destruction - one by fire also. It also is not the end, but the beginning of Paradise.
There is Jotumheim, home of the giants who shall fight the gods. In the Bible we had the Nephilim, giant offspring of the sons of God. These lived in the pre-deluge world. The fallen angels live around the earth in their ufos or on the moon, etc., and may walk invisibly among men.
In the garden of Eden we had trees of special power, the tree of life, and the tree of knowledge. In Norse mythology, special fruit trees also exist.
I am sure you can find more things that resemble each other if you make a study out of it.
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Yes. Yes. This is not a 100% of Hindus view, but it's pretty widespread.
I was Roman Catholic, then Eastern Orthodox. Calling it idolatry is offensive and incorrect. Statues of saints or gods are not worshipped. Saints are not worshipped at all. Again, your understanding is abysmally lacking.
Nothing to do with any idea of a trinity. That's not the base criterion for worship.
What does it matter.
Unless you're trying to get at that it was taken from the Bible. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is called a gopuram. It is an architectural feature of southern Indian temples.Yes. The symbolism is deep and multi-faceted.
Puja | Why do the Deities Have Multiple Arms and Heads?
Hinduism 101: Why do Hindu deities have so many arms? - Full Stop India
These are pictorial representations of God's attributes. Christians write lists, Hindus make pictures.
Jesus provides nothing for me that does not already exist in Hinduism, which pre-dates Christianity by at least 3,000 years. Jesus didn't say anything that wasn't said before by Krishna, at least 1,000 years before. It's in the Bhagavad Gita, dated to about 3,000 BCE.
1. It's easy... it makes sense. Eminently and immensely more sense to me than Christian theology.
2. I am Italian-American.
1 It makes sense. Eminently and immensely more sense to me than Christian theology.
2. For the life of me I cannot understand why a Hindu would abandon a beautiful, peaceful and comforting religion such as Hinduism.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
Ah I wanted to make sure.....Hinduism is quite interesting, if you have some readings you could recommend I'd be happy to check it out.
Hmmmm....Having a Catholic background, I am not surprised that the idols did not bother you...and I still see you defending Catholic use of images. The church can claim it isn't really bowing before those images but the pictures don't lie.
As the first and most important part of the 10 Commandments, God said that we are not to "MAKE" images of "anything", so there is the first act of disobedience. (Exodus 20:3-5) The second is bowing before them. There is no justification for any of it.
Where is the humble carpenter in this picture? If this is what you left, how can you still defend it?
Yet there it is.....there are trinities in the religions of many ancient cultures but you will not find it at all in the Jewish religion. Jesus was Jewish, not Catholic. If he did not teach that he was part of a trinity, then men adopted a pagan teaching and dressed it up as something "Christian". If God never changes, how did he become a trinity only centuries after Jesus died?
What does it matter.
I was just taking you back to the tower of Babel where all false worship finds its origins. Not just the beliefs but also the design of the temples for worship were apparently carried along by the tower builders to their new locations to start afresh.
You mean "images"? Even a picture is an image, especially if it is used in worship.
How is that first picture any different to Catholics parading images of Mary? Sorry, bit it looks to me as if you just swapped one kind of idolatry for another?
The Bible has many deep symbolisms too. What makes Hindu symbols more valid than the Bible's in your estimations?
I think you are mistaking Christendom for Christianity. Hinduism does not pre-date the worship of the one true God of the ancient Patriarchs which became the Jewish faith, practiced by Abraham's descendants. Jesus was a Jew who came to correct the false beliefs that Judaism had allowed to creep in over time.
First century Christianity was not a new religion....it was a continuation of the old one, but under a new leader...their long awaited Messiah. The Law was fulfilled, and the sacrifices were no longer needed, but faith in the same God continued. It was foretold that Christianity would go down the same path as Judaism, leaning on man-made traditions rather than on God's word. Christendom was the result.
I think you are speaking about Catholic theology......I do not believe that it ever was Christian from its beginnings in Rome in the 4th century.
So I don't believe that what you discarded was genuine Christianity at all.
2. For the life of me I cannot understand why a Hindu would abandon a beautiful, peaceful and comforting religion such as Hinduism.
If you understood true Christianity, you would see that it is the most peaceful religion on earth. It will not take up arms to fight anyone for any reason. It does not justify war or bloodshed and it does not participate in the politics of any nation. It is truly "no part of this world" as Jesus commanded.
Does that description fit the churches? That is why I left Christendom too.
Is this another way of saying that you can't provide links for your assertions? Noah was born almost 3,000 years before Christ. So if you have something better, please provide it. I am of Danish descent BTW. These are my ancestors you are talking about.
Middle eastern archaeology has unearthed artifacts proving that the Israelites had succumbed to Canaanite worship, just as God had warned them. That does not prove that YHWH was a Canaanite god. It just proves that what the Bible says is true. They were punished for their unfaithfulness.
The angelic fathers of the Nephilim were licentious, as were their offspring. Gratuitous sex and violence have been their trademark ever since. The Bible says that satan is in control of the whole world...its not hard to see IMO. (1 John 5:19) The world is obsessed with sex and violence. Who can fail to acknowledge this?
It was a generalization as I have pointed out. Having belief in a spiritual part of man that goes somewhere at death is what is basically universal. Norse beliefs have that in common.
Again, you are just repeating what I already said as if you are correcting me. The thin veneer of Christianity was a cover for the paganism hiding beneath. Its all still there. Christmas is a classic example. How many Norse traditions got tangled up in that mess? None of it is Christian and never was.
If you can provide proof for that I'd like to see it.
Give us the evidence.
According to Wiki, "The statue has been carbon dated to around 2250 BC, during the late Neolithic period or early Bronze Age, making it one of the oldest human representations found in Europe."
Noah was born almost 3,000 years BCE. And according to the genealogy contained in the Bible, Adam was created over 4,000 years BCE.
The Bible takes us back to the forming of the Cosmos too, so your whole religion is based on myth as much as you think mine is. This is just a choice of belief systems then, isn't it?
How 'alive' are the Norse beliefs today then? The old Nordic religion today - National Museum of Denmark
Are you among these people? Is this how you practice your faith? If so where do you go to do this?
Oh, I will if you will.
I think you mistake Judaism for the religion of the men of ancient times who lived before Abraham. No belief system outdates the creation of Adam. What religion were the first humans? There was no religion because there was only one God and humans had not yet deviated from his commands. After that deviation took place, humans began to slowly pull away from the worship of the true God. It was in the days of Noah when rebel angels materialized and produced their freakish offspring. After the flood is when humans started to follow other gods...prior to this they had no notion that other gods even existed. Nimrod was the first human to be deified and it was he and his cronies who began the second rebellion. The confusion of the language at Babel took those false beliefs all over the world....including Scandinavia.
Why would an image bother or not bother me? To take an explanation from the EOC, icons of any sort used in religion are a window into the other world. In Bhagavad Gita 12.5 Sri Krishna says that it is difficult for humans, being sensory beings, to focus on the Unmanifest. Do you know who or what you are praying to if you don't visualize it? I'll defend anything that doesn't cause harm, and gives people comfort.
I don't care what your Bible says. It's not binding on me. My God says it's OK.
I couldn't care less where the carpenter is. My God, when he was on Earth, was a king who ruled over a large kingdom. He was the scion of a wealthy, a very wealthy, cattle ranching family. So what?
I defend Catholicism because it's a valid mode of worship for people. It's not for me but it's also not my place to judge them, any more than it's your place to judge them and their worship or me and my worship. "Whatever celestial form a devotee seeks to worship with faith, I steady the faith of such a devotee in that form". See, he's not jealous; he'll even help you worship another deity if you do it with faith, because you're really worshiping him. "In whichever manner one approaches me, in that manner I favour them. People follow my path in different ways, O Paartha" (Paartha aka Arjuna is the friend whom Krishna is instructing). If I want to worship Thor (and I do), Krishna says "knock yourself out, you're still worshiping me". That works for me. I don't expect you to accept it; it's not my desire to sway anyone to believing my way is right for them. Hindus don't proselytize.I really don't care what Jews or Christians believe or practice. It is valid for them, and I respect that.
False is in the eye of the beholder. Your Tower of Babel witch-hunt is flawed at the outset. Not all Hindu temples have a gopuram, nor do all temples or shrines of other religions. Where you and I differ is that I can respect others' worship and beliefs. You seem to be looking to make a point that religions other than your own are invalid.
Bhagavad Gita 12.5
This is scary....I thought you said Hinduism was peaceful?
If you knew what you were looking at or talking about, you would know that this is Mother Durga, the fierce form of Goddess. She is killing the "demon" (improper translation, actually) called Mahishasura. He was wreaking havoc on the Earth and among the gods, and all creation. The gods prevailed upon Parvati, Mother of the Universe and the wife of Shiva to help. Parvati became enraged at the destruction Mahishasura was wreaking, and transformed herself into the warrior Durga, whose name means "invincible". She fought battle after bloody battle with Mahishasura, finally destroying him and his progeny (every drop of his blood generated another of him), and restoring peace and order to the universe. What the story represents can be found here. Battle of the Ego: Goddess Durga and Mahishasura | Hindu Human Rights Online News Magazine Hindu stories are nothing if not colorful and entertaining, but with deep truths.
How is that first picture any different to Catholics parading images of Mary? Sorry, bit it looks to me as if you just swapped one kind of idolatry for another?
You still seems to think I have some sort of problem with religious imagery and iconography. It is Christian theology I cannot accept. Moreover, you seem to think I/we worship the idols/images/icons themselves.
via Imgflip Meme GeneratorBiblical symbolism is valid for adherents of the Bible; Hindu symbolism is valid for Hindus. You're comparing apples to oranges. They are valid relative to their believers. Biblical symbolism is not valid for me; Hindu symbolism is not valid for you. That's really not a hard concept.
Hindu symbolism, for Hindus, reflects a God/dess that is easily pleased and is never angered by devotees. Hindu symbolism always resolves to (re)establishing order in the universe when some force runs amok. Hindu symbolism explains natural phenomena: Shiva is not the "god of destruction" if destruction means wanton rampages of killing and chaos. It is the destruction of what is old and worn out, making room for new creation. When a star goes supernova, and creates and spews out new elements into the universe to form new stars and planets, that is Lord Shiva doing his thing.
When things go smoothly and orderly, as in the motions of the galaxies and universe, that's where you find Lord Vishnu maintaining and preserving order. When unrighteousness grows to untenable proportions, Lord Vishnu takes birth to re-establish dharma, i.e. righteousness, order.
Uh yeah, it does. The Rig Veda, probably the oldest extant text in the world began being composed and orally transmitted at least 5,000 years ago, most likely closer to 7,000-8,000 years ago. It propounds one God, ekam sat vipra bahuda vadanti, "One Truth sages call by many names" - RV 1.164.46
And again, I don't care what Jesus did to the Jews of is time. They can duke it out.
It's none of my business.
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We are the only creatures on earth who can picture something in the past, present or future with an amazing faculty called imagination. We rely on this capacity to make decisions every day. No one needs to paint pictures for us.
I couldn't care less where the carpenter is. My God, when he was on Earth, was a king who ruled over a large kingdom. He was the scion of a wealthy, a very wealthy, cattle ranching family. So what?
Interesting, not to mention very convenient. No real effort required, just go through the motions of the rituals and the gods are happy. I can see why it was attractive.....it seems quite childlike but I guess there is something nice about simplicity all the same.
I never said all Hindu temples have a gopuram, I was merely drawing attention to the origin of such a design very early in the Bible record.....before humans even completed their construction.
To me, if there is only one God who is the Creator of all, and he tells us that all worship other than the one he prescribes is unacceptable to him, then I believe what he says when he tells me that he will wipe it off the map in one terrible battle.
If I am a good Christian, I will not be sitting on my porch reading my Bible whilst I listen to vehicle after vehicle plunging into a ravine because a bridge has collapsed and no one has arrived to divert traffic yet. I will be down on the road waving my arms about like a mad thing. People might think I am a nut case, and fail to stop.....but some might listen and save their own lives. I have no idea who will listen and who won't....but I have to do what I can to save them. That is how I view my faith.
If a Christian were to read that as some kind of proof that your religion was true, how do you think they would respond?
How many would think you have lost the plot and accepted the religion of primitive tribal people parading around with a giant elephant man and demonstrating with no connection to the real world?
Indeed. The depth is not obvious. The childishness is. Colorful and entertaining like a children's storybook.
Is that going to happen any time soon? Has it ever happened before?
What is happening now? Who is taking care of things at the moment? Nth Korea and the US are about to blow each other off the planet......will your gods save us? Have they ever?
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
No, we don't. They're nothing alike, and a website that tries to force myths to mean the same thing isn't strong evidence. (Also the ads for their books don't help. You gave me the Ancient Aliens of a mythology site.)
First and foremost, the Ragnarök is not an end-of-the-world tale. It is a lesson myth that tells how all things must come to an end. That we ought retain the ability to let go of things that need to "die", while keeping their memory alive in the new year. It is not a prediction or revelation of things to come.
But, for sake of argument, let's compare the two myths as End Days stories.
Foretelling of the End.
Ragnarök is forewarned to the Worlds by three roosters crowing:
- The Crimson rooster Fjalar crows in the forests of Jötunheimr.
- The Golden rooster Gullinkambi crows to the Æsir in Valhalla.
- A soot-red rooster crows in the halls of Helheimr.
- Hel's hound, Garmr, breaks free and roams the Nine Worlds.
- The Fimbilwinter begins, bringing three winters of harsh cold, and kill all of mankind but two--Líf and Lífþrasir.
- The First Seal is broken and Pestilence is set out to conquer the Earth.
- The Second Seal is broken and War rides out onto the Earth.
- The Third Seal is broken and Famine goes out.
- The Fourth Seal is broken and Death rides.
- The Fifth Seal is broken revealing the Souls of the Martyrs.
- The Sixth Seal is broke, causing a massive global earthquake, turning the sun itself black, the moon red as blood, and the stars to fall. Continents shift drastically - displacing moutains and islands - and the sky is "split apart."
- Heimdallr sounds the Gjallarhorn, rallying the Einherjar for battle, and all of Yggdrasil trembles.
- The jötunn Hrym approaches the field of Vígríðr from the East.
- Jörmungandr writhes in fury, flooding Miðgarðr and breaking free the ship Naglfar, which sails from the east carrying the dead.
- The jötunn eagle, Hræsvelgr, begins to devour the dead.
- Fire jötnar descend upon the field from Muspelheimr.
- The gods battle, and all slay each other but a few sons of Odin and Thor, who live on after the war.
- Surtr burns all of Yggdrasil, while Miðgarðr sinks into the waters.
- The Seventh Seal is opened and Heaven is silent for half an hour.
- An angel offers incense and the prayers of all the saints at the golden altar before the throne, then fills the censer with fire from the altar and throws it to the Earth as the first of seven angels sounds their trumpet, destroying a third of the Earth.
- The second angel sounds his trumpet, and a burning mountain burning is thrown in the sea, turning a third of it to blood, killing a third of everything in the ocean, and destroying all ships
- The third angel sounds his trumpet, and the star "Wormwood" falls from heaven, and poisons the water from rivers and springs.
- The fourth angel sounds his trumpet, and the sun, the moon, and stars are struck and diminished by a third to the point of complete darkness.
- The fifth angel sounds his trumpet and begins the unleashing of The Three Woes.
- General divine chaos and massacre of humankind left on Earth. There's a lot to cover, but it's essentially a whole mess of both angels and demons slaughtering the Earth in thirds until there's nothing left.
- Jesus returns to Earth riding a horse for slaughter.
- Satan is overthrown and tossed in the Abyss for a thousand years, during which Jesus reigns.
- Satan is released after said thousand years, and promptly begins causing more chaos.
- Satan is thrown into the Lake of Fire forever, and the "wicked dead" are raised and judged.
- Miðgarðr emerges from the sea, born anew as Gimlé.
- The surviving gods and mankind - born anew from Líf and Lífþrasir - reside together in Gimlé.
- A new Heaven and a new Earth (devoid of a sea) are created.
- New Jerusalem descends from the new Heaven to the new Earth, acting as a bridge between the two.
While there is the narrative of Foretelling, Destruction, Rebirth, there are very few similarities between the myths at all. To address your website's comparisons:
False: There are no "signs" leading up to Ragnarök that define the "end of times." Even taken as an End Days myth, the Foretelling section of the Ragnarök does not define, outline, or hint at the carnage to come.
This is a forced parallel, and even then it doesn't work. Jörmungandr rises from the seas and causes flooding from the wake of his body; literally the ocean. By the time Satan fights Jesus at Armageddon, mankind is dead and gone or "raptured". So there's no "sea of mankind" for him to "swim" in. I don't even know why they're including Baldr and Höðr--they give no "biblical parallel," and those gods do not fight in the Ragnarök. They rebuild when Gimlé emerges, after the Ragnarök.
Issues:
- Dragons do not destroy life on Miðgarðr. The Fimbulwinter and wars do that before the Ragnarök even escalates.
- Dragons do not unleash fire to destroy Miðgarðr. Miðgarðr is not destroyed by flames.
- Surt burns all of Yggdrasil, while Miðgarðr sinks beneath the waters.
- There is one dragon prominent in Norse mythology - Níðhöggr - who does not hold a prominent role in the Ragnarök, but survives it.
- There is no "new race" made. Mankind survives through Líf and Lífþrasir, and the Æsir through the sons of Thor and Odin.
The angels are hardly family to your god; they are servants. It is also a very uneven comparison of Asgardr to Heaven, as it is not the only abode of the gods.
Jötunheimr is home to the jötnar, yes. However they do far more than fight the gods - the gods who fight amongst themselves, even. The jötnar also teach the Æsir, wed them, and feast with them. Their relation is nothing more or less than two clans of peoples. Neither are the jötnar as a race born of the Æsir or Vanir, or their children, as the Nephilim are.
The Nephilim, on the other hand, are half-angel demi-gods who have no direct conflict or relation with Yahweh as the jötnar do with the Æsir. The two are not the same simply by virtue of gigantism.
One tree; the tree from which Iðunn grows golden apples. None of which are ever offered to mankind, or reside in a paradise garden on Earth, or cause damnation should the wrong person eat them. They are not similar at all.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
No, it's saying that you should be fully capable of finding something so common with even the most cursory of searches on Wikipedia. You act as though it's something I'm just completely making up, which is ridiculous.
For example, pottery has been found with the inscription "Blessed be Uryahu by Yahweh and his Asherah". Asherah being the Canaanite goddess of the seas. Yahweh was a sky deity, and their coupling (sky and sea) was a common motif in that region. (Niehr, Herbert (1995). The Rise of YHWH in the Judahite and Israelite Religion in The Triumph of the Elohim: From Yahwisms to Judaisms.)
Israel is factually known to have emerged from a Canaanite city-state to independence in the Late Bronze Age. Their patron god at that time was El, chief god of the Canaanite pantheon, from whom the name Israel is derived. (Smith, Mark S. (2002). The Early History of God: Yahweh and the Other Deities in Ancient Israel) At this time, Yahweh is described as a son of El, who is given a portion of humanity under his protection when El divides the people. Each tribe would have had their own patron deity; Chemosh was the god of the Moabites, Milcom the god of the Ammonites, Qaus the god of the Edomites, and Yahweh the "God of Israel". During this time, the two gods begin to be merged, with Yahweh being seen as synonymous with El. Exodus 6:3 even attempts to rectify this period of time, establishing Yahweh as El.
It is not until the Iron Age (930–586 BCE) that Yahweh will fully become the god of Israel. Prior to this period, the symbol of El/Yahweh was a bull. This is the symbolism of Moses destroying the golden calf; the calf was an idol to El-Yahweh, destroying it established the new "mysterious nature" of Yahweh.
Yes. And unlike you, I regard much of the Eddas as mythology, not factual inerrant history handed down by god in pretty bestseller books. You, on the other hand, treat your mythology as though it's verifiable history, when it's not. Not in the slightest.
Those are angels and Nephilim, not gods. You should join a dodgeball league, with how hard you're dodging backing up your statements.
So your absolute carelessness excuses an ignorant statement. Right... It's just pure coincidence that you stated that all religions have a realm of eternal suffering and torment. You know sometimes, it's easier and okay to just admit you were wrong.
I fully understand that you're coming at this with a typically biased Jehovah's Witness outlook. Yet this doesn't make it right. When a Christian sets up their tree and hangs their holly, they're not giving honor to Odin. When they celebrate the birth of your god, they're not celebrating or acknowledging Mithras or Dionysus. You cringe and balk at "hidden Paganism" in Christian practices, yet I bet you still call Thursday by that name. Do you worship Thor by calling it that?
So you demand evidence, you find the evidence (good for you!), and you attempt to refute it with myth. It's like you haven't learned a damn thing. And just as you mock me and my faith for our mythology, you absolutely rely on pure unverifiable myth to back up your refutations. It's absolutely, ignorantly, and asininely ridiculous.
Don't demand evidence of me if you're just going to refute it with tales of god-magic, talking snakes and fantasy aged progenitors.
Grandliseur
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That was a lot of work you put into this. You should save it on a link, google docs, a website - so you can refer back to it next time the question comes up.
Nice information. I dissent on some of the claims regarding Revelation since it is symbolic in nature, but it matters not. The difference of opinion Christians have means my dissent may be agreements by others.
syo
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norse mythology. the bible took it's final form kind of late.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
I do appreciate that; it was actually a fair bit of work, though I hope it didn't come off as argumentative.
I know of a couple of symbolic natures regarding Revelation; I suppose that is something that the two have in common. As I mentioned first, the Ragnarök (and other Norse myths) is more lesson than prophecy, so as Revelation - if I'm understanding you right - it's not a literal account. But, for the side-by-side, I was more focusing on the imagery used directly, foregoing what things represent. Pestilence, for example, I know has at least a couple symbolic interpretations, rather than a literal rider sweeping over the earth spreading disease.
Grandliseur
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Not at all. I thought it was nicely done. I like scientific arguments, religious arguments, comparisons, and all kinds, historical mythology, etc, as long as we can respect the presentation and work the other party puts into it.
You clearly have a made a good comparison and know what you are speaking about. If you should require Biblical points, not church points on some dogma, feel free to ask. Though, based on your chosen name, I think this unlikely.
We must have the freedom to disagree, but should be open to hear what is said and respect others right to believe as they like.
You do realize those comments disparage Hinduism and Hindus.
Let's try again...
That is irrelevant to me. I don't believe in your God, I don't believe in what he says. If you do that's fine. But it's irrelevant and inconsequential to me.
I'm not the one trying to prove my religion is the best and true for everyone, as you are trying to do. You're proselytizing yours and denigrating mine.
Okay, great. I fail to see what this has to do with fuel prices.
I have no idea. I can't predict the future. And frankly, I don't care.
Wow, just wow. Line = crossed.
Yes.
His own counsel he keeps.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Because your god is doing such a bang up job, deeje. What's he doing to stop North Korea? Does he report Trump's tweets to Twitter? Or does he just have a plethora of promises for what happens after the death and destruction, provided we have the magical ægis of believing him? I quite agree with Jainarayan; this was well below the belt not just for Hinduism, but practically every religion that isn't yours.