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The Reasons why Hundreds of Christians Converted to Paganism

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I apologize in advance guys, but I just couldn't resist doing this because of that other thread on the boards. :D

The word "conversion" a problematic one to use in describing the rise of contemporary Paganism (Neopaganism) from a culture dominated by Christianity. It's a loaded and pejorative term to many of us, because it is seen as something that happens to someone from outside forces, often with the use of threats (i.e., you'll go to hell!), coercion (i.e., we helped you in your time of need... join us!), value inversion (i.e., what you do is wrong!) slander (i.e., you worship devils!), among other nasties.

Conversion doesn't happen that way in Neopaganism. There's no being confronted with beliefs from the outside and being expected to conform to them. The absence of heavy-handed proselytizing can be part of its appeal to many of us who came to the community. Most Neopagans describe their "conversion" as a coming home, but the process isn't quite so simple. The vast majority of Neopagans were raised in a Christian cultural morass, and at some point, there had to be an active rejection of that culture and religious paradigm. After rejection, there is a period of searching for a religion that more closely matches their personal theology or practices. Harper-Bisso (2005) noted that "the most common motifs in NeoPagan conversion are intellectual conversion and experimental conversion" (p 163). They read books and do research, then experiment with different religious practices until finding the one that resonates. This means taking an active, participatory role in one's religion, as well as blazing one's own path.

Based on surveys by Harper-Bisso (2005) and Reid (2001) of Neopagans in the United States and Canada respectively, we can generate the following list of reasons why people convert from (usually) Christianity to contemporary Paganism:

  • Acceptance of nature as sacred, and/or a sense of connection with nature
  • Embrace of the divine feminine, positive images of women, and sex/gender equality
  • Tolerance of human diversity in general, but especially sexual orientation
  • Flexibility of beliefs and practices, and/or the wide range of traditions available
  • Ability to declare "rightness for me" and/or the absence of exclusivist "rightness for all" claims
  • Sense of personal ethical responsibility and/or the absence of prescribed sin
  • Empowerment of the individual to change their life
  • Appreciation of a magical worldview and practices such as spellcraft or divination
  • Preternatural, mystical experiences that fall outside accepted Abrahamic narratives

This is certainly not an all-inclusive list, but one that can be derived from the dissertations above. For some, the ability to embrace and incorporate science within the framework is another important factor. You don't see climate science denialism and evolution denialism in Neopaganism; my community is overwhelmingly science-affirming and science-progressive. At the very least, this should give us all an idea of the reasons why Christians convert to that regressive, evil, immoral, primitive rubbish called Paganism.

Thoughts? Comments? Free blueberry muffins?

Works Cited
Harper-Bisso, Susan. 2005. Negotiating Gender Identity and Social Identity in an American Neopagan Community. Ph.D. diss., Southern Methodist University.
Reid, Sian Lee Macdonald. 2001. Disorganized Religion: An Exploration of the Neopagan Craft in Canada. Ph. D. diss., Carleton University.​

Helen Berger has done extensive survey work of our community, but I don't have access to those data at the present moment. I'm fairly sure my University has an e-book version of at least one of her works, but the library website is, tragically, not currently functioning.​
 
Thanks for the info. I know many who call themselves Christian who also mix their beliefs with contemporary Paganism. I attended a Catholic wedding, and the priest allowed the Mother of the bride, (who teaches catechism) to perform a fertility rite during the ceremony.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I think that modern Paganism is so beautiful. It is full of interesting meditations upon the Self, upon the sense of Life, and Pagans are maybe the ones who respect environment the most.
I perfectly agree with all the reasons you listed.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
"Pagan" has the same wonderful ring to it that "heathen" does.
That's why I adopted the latter.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
I apologize in advance guys, but I just couldn't resist doing this because of that other thread on the boards. :D

The word "conversion" a problematic one to use in describing the rise of contemporary Paganism (Neopaganism) from a culture dominated by Christianity. It's a loaded and pejorative term to many of us, because it is seen as something that happens to someone from outside forces, often with the use of threats (i.e., you'll go to hell!), coercion (i.e., we helped you in your time of need... join us!), value inversion (i.e., what you do is wrong!) slander (i.e., you worship devils!), among other nasties.

Conversion doesn't happen that way in Neopaganism. There's no being confronted with beliefs from the outside and being expected to conform to them. The absence of heavy-handed proselytizing can be part of its appeal to many of us who came to the community. Most Neopagans describe their "conversion" as a coming home, but the process isn't quite so simple. The vast majority of Neopagans were raised in a Christian cultural morass, and at some point, there had to be an active rejection of that culture and religious paradigm. After rejection, there is a period of searching for a religion that more closely matches their personal theology or practices. Harper-Bisso (2005) noted that "the most common motifs in NeoPagan conversion are intellectual conversion and experimental conversion" (p 163). They read books and do research, then experiment with different religious practices until finding the one that resonates. This means taking an active, participatory role in one's religion, as well as blazing one's own path.

Based on surveys by Harper-Bisso (2005) and Reid (2001) of Neopagans in the United States and Canada respectively, we can generate the following list of reasons why people convert from (usually) Christianity to contemporary Paganism:

  • Acceptance of nature as sacred, and/or a sense of connection with nature
  • Embrace of the divine feminine, positive images of women, and sex/gender equality
  • Tolerance of human diversity in general, but especially sexual orientation
  • Flexibility of beliefs and practices, and/or the wide range of traditions available
  • Ability to declare "rightness for me" and/or the absence of exclusivist "rightness for all" claims
  • Sense of personal ethical responsibility and/or the absence of prescribed sin
  • Empowerment of the individual to change their life
  • Appreciation of a magical worldview and practices such as spellcraft or divination
  • Preternatural, mystical experiences that fall outside accepted Abrahamic narratives

This is certainly not an all-inclusive list, but one that can be derived from the dissertations above. For some, the ability to embrace and incorporate science within the framework is another important factor. You don't see climate science denialism and evolution denialism in Neopaganism; my community is overwhelmingly science-affirming and science-progressive. At the very least, this should give us all an idea of the reasons why Christians convert to that regressive, evil, immoral, primitive rubbish called Paganism.

Thoughts? Comments? Free blueberry muffins?

Works Cited
Harper-Bisso, Susan. 2005. Negotiating Gender Identity and Social Identity in an American Neopagan Community. Ph.D. diss., Southern Methodist University.
Reid, Sian Lee Macdonald. 2001. Disorganized Religion: An Exploration of the Neopagan Craft in Canada. Ph. D. diss., Carleton University.​

Helen Berger has done extensive survey work of our community, but I don't have access to those data at the present moment. I'm fairly sure my University has an e-book version of at least one of her works, but the library website is, tragically, not currently functioning.​

Have you got some statistics in this connection?
How many Christians got converted to Paganism or Neopaganism?

Regards
 

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
I feel like the summarized findings of that dissertation rightly point out the rigid and legalistic mindset/framework that has developed in massive swaths of Christianity today, including many in my own Orthodox Christian tradition. We need to answer for the sins we have committed against others, and recognize that many of us are little better than modern-day Pharisees.

Paganism and shamanism do fascinate me, and if I wasn't already strong in my identity as a Christian, I would very likely become pagan--or at least take bits and pieces from it as part of my own spiritual path.
 

Drolefille

PolyPanGeekGirl
Have you got some statistics in this connection?
How many Christians got converted to Paganism or Neopaganism?

Regards

I just want to point out something in your language there "Got converted to" kind of goes back to Quin's point about how the language of "Conversion" implies some outside force causing the change, even if it's as simple as winning people over.

I can't personally find any numbers other than wiki's census that identifies about 1 million individuals worldwide who fall into "pagan" as a category - which I have to assume falls into self-identification to an extent. A significant number of those would likely have been raised as Christian, but how many, I can't say.
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
I would guess that Christians convert to Paganism for similar reasons as Pagans converted to Christianity. There would be a lot of various reasons, so I won't list any. :)
 

Sees

Dragonslayer
One of the big reasons in my opinion is advancement and evolution of religious concepts - as whatever flavor or label of pagan there is a huge chance you have more leeway to adapt and push forward when confronted with the increasing flurries of irreligiousness and meaninglessness thrown around. Very traditional, conservative types of the big name religions seemingly want you to put your head in the sand - pushing people to be pagan, atheist, "spiritual but not religious" and so on.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Have you got some statistics in this connection?
How many Christians got converted to Paganism or Neopaganism?

Regards

Doing surveys of Neopagans is difficult, because it isn't an organized religion. There's simply no way to know how many Christians converted to Neopagan paths. Hell, we don't even have a good idea of how many of us there are in the world!

However, there are some things we can say and make some reasonable extrapolations from. In Reid's (2001) sample, 75% of respondents had been involved with at least one other religion previously, and of that portion, 92% had been involved in at least one Christian denomination. This isn't really surprising given the religious demographics of Canada at the time of the study (83% Christian), but the 25% that had no previous religious affiliation is very notable considering that figure was only 12.6% in Canada as a whole. From what I remember of Berger's work, the figures were similar for hers (which encompassed the Untied States).
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I would guess that Christians convert to Paganism for similar reasons as Pagans converted to Christianity. There would be a lot of various reasons, so I won't list any. :)

It would actually be very interesting to compare similar surveys from other conversion experiences to compare. I suspect that some trends and patterns are more unique to each particular religious movement.

One of the big reasons in my opinion is advancement and evolution of religious concepts - as whatever flavor or label of pagan there is a huge chance you have more leeway to adapt and push forward when confronted with the increasing flurries of irreligiousness and meaninglessness thrown around. Very traditional, conservative types of the big name religions seemingly want you to put your head in the sand - pushing people to be pagan, atheist, "spiritual but not religious" and so on.

It's hard to say how much fundamentalist expressions of certain religions are driving people towards alternatives. It wouldn't surprise me if there are academic studies or books on this issue too, but I'm not sure I'll have time to dig something like that up. I know for me, it wasn't a factor, but I'm only an 'n' of one. :D
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
The pagan pantheon is so much more human than the abstract and uknowable god of Abraham. The pagan gods are more human, more like us and thus we can relate to them better. Paganism not only connects us to the gods more closely, but it also connects us to nature and the cosmos itself, whilst the Abrahamic traditions tend to make us seperate from the rest of nature, as aloof and above the rest of creation as the monotheist god is aloof and above us.

I think that much of the attraction that makes people gravitate towards paganism is the need to feel more connected to to the gods and to nature.
 

Thana

Lady
Based on surveys by Harper-Bisso (2005) and Reid (2001) of Neopagans in the United States and Canada respectively, we can generate the following list of reasons why people convert from (usually) Christianity to contemporary Paganism:

  • Acceptance of nature as sacred, and/or a sense of connection with nature
  • Embrace of the divine feminine, positive images of women, and sex/gender equality
  • Tolerance of human diversity in general, but especially sexual orientation
  • Flexibility of beliefs and practices, and/or the wide range of traditions available
  • Ability to declare "rightness for me" and/or the absence of exclusivist "rightness for all" claims
  • Sense of personal ethical responsibility and/or the absence of prescribed sin
  • Empowerment of the individual to change their life
  • Appreciation of a magical worldview and practices such as spellcraft or divination
  • Preternatural, mystical experiences that fall outside accepted Abrahamic narratives

This is certainly not an all-inclusive list, but one that can be derived from the dissertations above. For some, the ability to embrace and incorporate science within the framework is another important factor. You don't see climate science denialism and evolution denialism in Neopaganism; my community is overwhelmingly science-affirming and science-progressive. At the very least, this should give us all an idea of the reasons why Christians convert to that regressive, evil, immoral, primitive rubbish called Paganism.

Thoughts? Comments? Free blueberry muffins?

Christianity is huge, With hundreds of different denominations that can easily meet the above criteria. I don't understand why one would think those specifically are the reasons for 'conversion'. It seems to me the most likely cause is that people simply didn't connect or didn't like Christianity, Or preferred another religion.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
The pagan pantheon is so much more human than the abstract and uknowable god of Abraham. The pagan gods are more human, more like us and thus we can relate to them better. Paganism not only connects us to the gods more closely, but it also connects us to nature and the cosmos itself, whilst the Abrahamic traditions tend to make us seperate from the rest of nature, as aloof and above the rest of creation as the monotheist god is aloof and above us.

I think that much of the attraction that makes people gravitate towards paganism is the need to feel more connected to to the gods and to nature.

I don't disagree; the immediacy of my gods - which are literally various aspects of reality like Storm and Sun - was an appeal.

As I've experienced more of other religions, I discovered there are definitely sectors of the Abrahamic traditions that have these components too. One has to look a little harder for them. There is a a Franciscan spirituality center I've spent time at, for example. The place sponsors sustainability events, has its own nature preserve, a beautiful meditation room, and more. The place is amazing, and sadly, Neopaganism lacks these sorts of spaces and resources. As the moment is maturing, there's more of a push towards obtaining the resources of more traditional/organized religions, but there's resistance to this idea as well.
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
I don't disagree; the immediacy of my gods - which are literally various aspects of reality like Storm and Sun - was an appeal.

As I've experienced more of other religions, I discovered there are definitely sectors of the Abrahamic traditions that have these components too. One has to look a little harder for them. There is a a Franciscan spirituality center I've spent time at, for example. The place sponsors sustainability events, has its own nature preserve, a beautiful meditation room, and more. The place is amazing, and sadly, Neopaganism lacks these sorts of spaces and resources. As the moment is maturing, there's more of a push towards obtaining the resources of more traditional/organized religions, but there's resistance to this idea as well.

Yes, I accept that I was generalising - a necessary evil at times.

I don't see paganism as relying in any way on apologetics or for that matter any claims of historicity or absolute knowledge as is common to Islam and Christianity either.

That may also be a contributing factor to it's popularity. As a child I was fascinated by Greco-Roman mythology, I found that the moral, ethical and spiritual values being communicated were lucid and could be easily understood - whilst the notion of actually proving any of those parables was never even relevant.

The desperation of modern fundamentalist Islamic and Christian sects to war with reason and logic and seek to cement their religious apprehensions with some form of historical authenticity is (in my opinion) counter productive and drives people away. For most of the pagans I have interacted with to consider the historicity of any given parable is not only irrelevant, it is to miss the point entirely.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Christianity is huge, With hundreds of different denominations that can easily meet the above criteria. I don't understand why one would think those specifically are the reasons for 'conversion'. It seems to me the most likely cause is that people simply didn't connect or didn't like Christianity, Or preferred another religion.

I suspect that our failure to educate our populace about religions contributes substantially to ignorance of the variety within the Christian religion. All a person knows is typically what they grew up with, or the horrible, extremist representatives that get harped about in the sensationalist media. Not exactly a diverse or positive exposure there.

I do agree with what you say here about not connecting. I found Christian mythology boring and uninteresting, as well as the theology. That more than anything is why I left it at a young age. As an adult, the things I took issue with became more sophisticated than that, but the initial abandoning was a combination of boredom and lack of interest. XD


I don't see paganism as relying in any way on apologetics or for that matter any claims of historicity or absolute knowledge as is common to Islam and Christianity either.

It's my understanding that the entire thing of apologetics was originally invented within Christianity as a way of shoring up its claims of being the one true religion or some such. When a religion doesn't claim it's the right one for everyone, the need for apologetics evaporates. That doesn't mean positions aren't still reasoned, but the word "apologetics" might not be the correct one to use.

There are cases where a sort of historicity is claimed within segments of contemporary Paganism. It wasn't too long ago that many accepted the idea that Wicca was an unbroken, pre-Christian survival, for example. For the most part, the community accepts new scholarship and has abandoned such notions, along with the idea that "our people" were killed in the "burning times" and other such rubbish.

That may also be a contributing factor to it's popularity. As a child I was fascinated by Greco-Roman mythology, I found that the moral, ethical and spiritual values being communicated were lucid and could be easily understood - whilst the notion of actually proving any of those parables was never even relevant.

It is interesting, isn't it? I confess it amuses me that Hellenic Paganism is taught in public schools as a matter of course, and yet if a similar study was to be done of the Bible or the Quran, folks would get all up in arms about it. I chalk it up to public ignorance about the existence of contemporary Paganism or their failure to take historical polytheisms seriously as religions. :D

The desperation of modern fundamentalist Islamic and Christian sects to war with reason and logic and seek to cement their religious apprehensions with some form of historical authenticity is (in my opinion) counter productive and drives people away. For most of the pagans I have interacted with to consider the historicity of any given parable is not only irrelevant, it is to miss the point entirely.

Yeah, that's kind of where I sit. Stories are stories. The truths and meanings of them exists regardless of it's "objectivity" or "literalness" or whatever one wants to call it. Or at least it should.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
I don't disagree; the immediacy of my gods - which are literally various aspects of reality like Storm and Sun - was an appeal.

As I've experienced more of other religions, I discovered there are definitely sectors of the Abrahamic traditions that have these components too. One has to look a little harder for them. There is a a Franciscan spirituality center I've spent time at, for example. The place sponsors sustainability events, has its own nature preserve, a beautiful meditation room, and more. The place is amazing, and sadly, Neopaganism lacks these sorts of spaces and resources. As the moment is maturing, there's more of a push towards obtaining the resources of more traditional/organized religions, but there's resistance to this idea as well.

I, for one, would love to see a reestablishment of Sacred Groves on a larger scale. I think there are a few in the world, but not nearly enough.
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
I suspect that our failure to educate our populace about religions contributes substantially to ignorance of the variety within the Christian religion. All a person knows is typically what they grew up with, or the horrible, extremist representatives that get harped about in the sensationalist media. Not exactly a diverse or positive exposure there.

I do agree with what you say here about not connecting. I found Christian mythology boring and uninteresting, as well as the theology. That more than anything is why I left it at a young age. As an adult, the things I took issue with became more sophisticated than that, but the initial abandoning was a combination of boredom and lack of interest. XD




It's my understanding that the entire thing of apologetics was originally invented within Christianity as a way of shoring up its claims of being the one true religion or some such. When a religion doesn't claim it's the right one for everyone, the need for apologetics evaporates. That doesn't mean positions aren't still reasoned, but the word "apologetics" might not be the correct one to use.

There are cases where a sort of historicity is claimed within segments of contemporary Paganism. It wasn't too long ago that many accepted the idea that Wicca was an unbroken, pre-Christian survival, for example. For the most part, the community accepts new scholarship and has abandoned such notions, along with the idea that "our people" were killed in the "burning times" and other such rubbish.

Sadly in my youth wiccans tended to be more ignorant of their origins than just about any other philosophy. Mention Gerald Gardner to most of them and they would stare blanky back at you. You are absolutely correct, modern wicca has no connection to the ancient traditions whatsoever. It is not a relic, it is a new creation.


Without wishing to derail the thread, whilst I identify strongly with paganism - I do not identify as such mainly because I do not believe it to meaningfully conflict with atheism. It is the notion of a real, interventionist monotheistic god that I am atheist towards.

It is interesting, isn't it? I confess it amuses me that Hellenic Paganism is taught in public schools as a matter of course, and yet if a similar study was to be done of the Bible or the Quran, folks would get all up in arms about it. I chalk it up to public ignorance about the existence of contemporary Paganism or their failure to take historical polytheisms seriously as religions. :D



Yeah, that's kind of where I sit. Stories are stories. The truths and meanings of them exists regardless of it's "objectivity" or "literalness" or whatever one wants to call it. Or at least it should.[/QUOTE]
 

Frolicking_Fox

Artemis, Athena, and Buddha. Anarcho-Communist.
I apologize in advance guys, but I just couldn't resist doing this because of that other thread on the boards. :D

The word "conversion" a problematic one to use in describing the rise of contemporary Paganism (Neopaganism) from a culture dominated by Christianity. It's a loaded and pejorative term to many of us, because it is seen as something that happens to someone from outside forces, often with the use of threats (i.e., you'll go to hell!), coercion (i.e., we helped you in your time of need... join us!), value inversion (i.e., what you do is wrong!) slander (i.e., you worship devils!), among other nasties.

Conversion doesn't happen that way in Neopaganism. There's no being confronted with beliefs from the outside and being expected to conform to them. The absence of heavy-handed proselytizing can be part of its appeal to many of us who came to the community. Most Neopagans describe their "conversion" as a coming home, but the process isn't quite so simple. The vast majority of Neopagans were raised in a Christian cultural morass, and at some point, there had to be an active rejection of that culture and religious paradigm. After rejection, there is a period of searching for a religion that more closely matches their personal theology or practices. Harper-Bisso (2005) noted that "the most common motifs in NeoPagan conversion are intellectual conversion and experimental conversion" (p 163). They read books and do research, then experiment with different religious practices until finding the one that resonates. This means taking an active, participatory role in one's religion, as well as blazing one's own path.

Based on surveys by Harper-Bisso (2005) and Reid (2001) of Neopagans in the United States and Canada respectively, we can generate the following list of reasons why people convert from (usually) Christianity to contemporary Paganism:

  • Acceptance of nature as sacred, and/or a sense of connection with nature
  • Embrace of the divine feminine, positive images of women, and sex/gender equality
  • Tolerance of human diversity in general, but especially sexual orientation
  • Flexibility of beliefs and practices, and/or the wide range of traditions available
  • Ability to declare "rightness for me" and/or the absence of exclusivist "rightness for all" claims
  • Sense of personal ethical responsibility and/or the absence of prescribed sin
  • Empowerment of the individual to change their life
  • Appreciation of a magical worldview and practices such as spellcraft or divination
  • Preternatural, mystical experiences that fall outside accepted Abrahamic narratives

This is certainly not an all-inclusive list, but one that can be derived from the dissertations above. For some, the ability to embrace and incorporate science within the framework is another important factor. You don't see climate science denialism and evolution denialism in Neopaganism; my community is overwhelmingly science-affirming and science-progressive. At the very least, this should give us all an idea of the reasons why Christians convert to that regressive, evil, immoral, primitive rubbish called Paganism.

Thoughts? Comments? Free blueberry muffins?

Works Cited
Harper-Bisso, Susan. 2005. Negotiating Gender Identity and Social Identity in an American Neopagan Community. Ph.D. diss., Southern Methodist University.
Reid, Sian Lee Macdonald. 2001. Disorganized Religion: An Exploration of the Neopagan Craft in Canada. Ph. D. diss., Carleton University.
Helen Berger has done extensive survey work of our community, but I don't have access to those data at the present moment. I'm fairly sure my University has an e-book version of at least one of her works, but the library website is, tragically, not currently functioning.

Haha, I just saw this thread. This is exactly what happened to me ;) I grew up as a Christian. When I was about 11, 4 years ago, I came home to Hellenic Paganism. It's all about finding what religion suites your beliefs.
 
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