I ask you to leave the Qur'an aside for a moment. Does your mind really tell you that freedom of thought is bad?
or that is bad, if women are free to wear whatever they want?
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Why do muslims hate democracy
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I ask you to leave the Qur'an aside for a moment. Does your mind really tell you that freedom of thought is bad?
or that is bad, if women are free to wear whatever they want?
Shad
Veteran Member
The challenge is illogical as a human text can contain no errors. Also considering diacritical marks had to be added to the Quran this shows an error and it was not complete. It also shows the Quran was changed to fit the language used rather than the language changing to fit the supposedly perfect language used by Allah.
Al-Fatihah
Muslim
Response: Freedom of thought is fine. The freedom to do whatever you like is not. Based on democracy, whether or not it is okay to kill an innocent person is based on whether the majority agrees. This is dangerous. As the majority in America at one point believed blacks were beneath whites and were slaves. and it was the majority that put Hitler into power. So this shows the downfall of implementing law based on what the majority says.
As for the rest, we should live in a society that promotes what is best. So in regards for women, it is better for women to be covered and not reveal her body or curves, rather that the opposite, and a woman should not be allowed to do the opposite. For it is not what is best for her or the society in regards to prevent promiscuity and molestation. Being covered is the better deterrent.
This is the fundamental difference between us. You promote freedom to do whatever we like. I on the other hand do not, and promote only what is best, whether a person likes it or not.
Al-Fatihah
Muslim
Response: The definition of an error is not "Diacritical marks". So equating the two is illogical and fails to invalidate the Qur'an challenge.
Shad
Veteran Member
Actually Hitler was not elected by a majority. He lost to Hindenburg who had the major of around 48%. A coalition government formed. Hitler took power after Hindenburg died and did so illegally and without a vote of the people.
Making up history or being ignorant of it does nothing to help your point.
Prevent promiscuity? what's wrong with promiscuity? If you don't like it, don't practice it. Nobody forces you. But you cannot force other people not to be promiscuous, because their promiscuity doesn't harm you.
as for molestation...well...I can assure you that in Western democracies no normal man molests a woman wearing sexy and provoking clothes.
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Shad
Veteran Member
If a perfect language lacks proper diacritical marks then it is incompete thus not perfect. This actually caused the Quran verses to have multiple meanings due to the lack of proper marks, ie grammar errors. This is an error. An error corrected later. Ibn Taymiyyah, Jalal-al-Din-al-Suyuti, ibn ’Umar, al-Shafi’i, Jalalayn and Badawi all mention the issues caused by the perfect language being incomplete. This causes conflict over interpretation. Read the work of the scholars of your own religion... It is in fact an example of an error. Since these errors are found throughout the early Quran there are many errors.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/error
Having multiple meanings in a single verse due to the incomplete language causes errors in accuracy which covers definition 1b, 1c, 2a, 3, 4b, and 5.
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outhouse
Atheistically
Yes that is true with primitive barbaric men.
Al-Fatihah
Muslim
Response: Promiscuity is based on lust, not love. So the practice of it is spreading the idea of using or taking advantage of people sexually, which is by far one of the most degrading and harmful acts. to use a person sexually for your own pleasure is wrong. Furthermore, just because two people agree to use each other sexually does not change the harm involved. For sex in the most intimate of embraces, making it more likely for one to want to be loved after sex. This causes emotional damage since the person who develops these feelings will be rejected since the other was simply in it for lust and not love. So promiscuity is extremely harmful and wrong.
outhouse
Atheistically
Wrong
On the flip side, So is terrorism, more so actually.
but it doesn't stop islam from breeding more and more and more of them
Al-Fatihah
Muslim
Response: Actually, he was. Hitler was elected by the majority to head the party he led. So making up inaccurate responses to justify the fact that you can't answer the Qur'an challenge only further supports that the challenge is valid and proves the Qur'an is true.
outhouse
Atheistically
because plagiarizing pedophile warriors never lie?
Al-Fatihah
Muslim
Response: Language is oral and the Qur'an was revealed orally. So diacritical marks is irrelevant to an oral language or the Qur'an. So your point remains pointless.
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all right....but there is freewill. and this doesn't answer my question:
if two people want to do lustful things...how do they harm you?
Al-Fatihah
Muslim
Response: Once again, it harms what is best for society, therefore harming anyone within the society to be among the best of people. So it harms me because if such an idea is adopted in society, then it will affect those who are near and close to me to do the same. And harming to a loved one, harms me. Just like a child dying is not your child, yet if you are a decent and loving person, their death should hurt you. The same applies to a person who lives a promiscuous lifestyle, as such a lifestyle is detrimental to the society and I care about the society I live in and the people in it.
Shad
Veteran Member
No he wasn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_presidential_election,_1932
Lost 53% to 38% ie he was not elected president.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_July_1932
Party victory for the legislation body not president. This would be like saying the Republican won the Presidential election due to holding power in both Houses of Congress during Clinton first term as President.
Learn the difference between the Reichstag and President....
But depending upon religion & culture, what constitutes harm will vary greatly.
The prescriptions of Islam are an anathema to many many millions of people.
Shad
Veteran Member
If this were true none of the scholars I listed would have talked about different interpretations of the Quran and these interpretations application in Sharia law. There were groups supporting different versions ie no one knew which one was right, ie lack of accuracy. Since scholars held different views based on inaccuracy this is an error. It was only later that a consensus was formed, ie ad hoc, on which one was right. Now if the oral tradition always had the right interpretation there would of never been any conflict. There would be no need to add these marking as the interpretation would have been obvious. However even your own religious scholars show this was not the case. Read the scholars of your own religion... Language is also written. Considering Islamic scholars I list also include the fact that the oral tradition led to multiple interpretation this is a failure of both the oral and written language. A perfect language does not have these errors nor would it cause a religion's own scholars to be in conflict...
You are just asserting dogma and nothing more.
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Muslims strippers are better than honor killers and suicide bombers. Thats for sure 
One gotta be pretty insecure to put presure on others to follow their rules. And tell people to respect their religion, for being oppressive towards others who don't share that view.
But islam is currently the most perverted religion on earth.
Muhammad himself was a huge pervert. If i remember correctly he sucked a boy's penis and tongue kissed some male.
Hadith: Prophet Muhammad ‘kissed the penis’ of small boys and had child bride wash semen stains | The Muslim Issue
So its ironic to look for morals by a pedophilic pervert :sarcastic. Frankly, its disgusting actually.
One gotta be pretty insecure to put presure on others to follow their rules. And tell people to respect their religion, for being oppressive towards others who don't share that view.
But islam is currently the most perverted religion on earth.
Muhammad himself was a huge pervert. If i remember correctly he sucked a boy's penis and tongue kissed some male.
Hadith: Prophet Muhammad ‘kissed the penis’ of small boys and had child bride wash semen stains | The Muslim Issue
So its ironic to look for morals by a pedophilic pervert :sarcastic. Frankly, its disgusting actually.
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