IsmailaGodHasHeard
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I oppose all torture. The reason why is the Golden Rule. I believe in doing to others as you would have them do unto you.
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I oppose all torture.
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IsmailaGodHasHeard
Well-Known Member
Thank you.
Does this rule apply only to humans, or are you not a specist?
What to you falls under the label "torture?"
Is it torture to keep your child from getting their hands in the cookie jar?
What to you falls under the label "torture?"
Is it torture to keep your child from getting their hands in the cookie jar?
In theory I oppose it too.
Here's where I struggle though...if some man raped one of my daughters, and I couldn't get a confession out of him, it would be very hard to not resort to it. I can only imagine how hard it would be on a global scale...
I also struggle because if you believe in Hell, then you believe God, whom we worship, will torture humans. Makes it more complicated than the Golden Rule, huh?
Here's where I struggle though...if some man raped one of my daughters, and I couldn't get a confession out of him, it would be very hard to not resort to it. I can only imagine how hard it would be on a global scale...
I also struggle because if you believe in Hell, then you believe God, whom we worship, will torture humans. Makes it more complicated than the Golden Rule, huh?
IsmailaGodHasHeard
Well-Known Member
In theory I oppose it too.
Here's where I struggle though...if some man raped one of my daughters, and I couldn't get a confession out of him, it would be very hard to not resort to it. I can only imagine how hard it would be on a global scale...
I also struggle because if you believe in Hell, then you believe God, whom we worship, will torture humans. Makes it more complicated than the Golden Rule, huh?
I guess. I do not believe that it is God who tortures humans though. Satan does that. I can understand what you are saying though.
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Two-bit guru
Active Member
I'll stick with the golden rule, although one can imagine complicated situations wherein someone (not me, I think) would resort to torture. From a strictly practical point of view, the information derived from torture might not be at all reliable.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
So who created hell and who casts souls into it?
If you torture someone enough they'll tell you whatever you want to hear, doesn't make it the truth though.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
I don't.
Hopefully you never meet up with a masochist who agrees with your idea of following the golden rule....
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
The Satan does that.
It is clearly written in his post that it is The Satan that does that.
I don't believe in torture either. I believe it is perfectly acceptable to take anothers life.
Shermana
Heretic
What if someone is about to be blown up and the only way to stop that person from having their entrails splattered everywhere was to pistol whip someone's teeth out until they told you where the bomb was and how to diffuse it?
Also, doesn't sending a criminal to jail count as torture? Especially a Mexican/Turkish/Burmese jail?
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This is true as well. It's a tough call.
IsmailaGodHasHeard
Well-Known Member
People send themselves to Hell by not choosing to put their trust in Jesus as their everything.
IsmailaGodHasHeard
Well-Known Member
I also believe in self defense. I would do what ever it took to defend my own life or someone else's life.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Never met the guy, so it's hard to put my trust in a complete stranger, but rumour has it that the man adhered to the golden rule. I wonder what it means about his opinion of torture or hell.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
And who's idea is that?
Speculation is endless, isn't it? What if you pistol whipped someone's teeth out and they only told you false information because they were teed-off at you for pistol whipping their teeth out? Meanwhile, because you acted on their false information, the bomb went off anyway? Gosh. We could speculate all night. Do you have any evidence from actual, practicing interrogators that torture works best?
Cha'im
New Member
It is like Hillel said while standing on one foot; the golden rule is the entire message, all the rest is commentary.