McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
well, according to some in this thread, that is just a complete absolute impossibility.
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Peter King (R-NY) introduces gun control legislation
- Thread starter Mercy Not Sacrifice
- Start date
Statistics is wonderful. This science lets us understand the real world, quantify risk, & make better decisions.
The problem is that some people are content to let their favorite news source distill a complex situation to a
single simplistic number. Of course, this achieves the opposite of what makes statistics useful. Tis good to
question the reasoning behind the number, & temper it with good judgment.
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Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Yep, I know - but then they weren't in my shoes that day.
To simplify a long story:
I was in my car alone in a deserted area. There was a vehicle in front of me which kept stopping and starting - looked like two crack heads in the front seat, who kept hanging out the window yelling at me, slowing down to ten MPH, not letting me pass them, etc. Finally they just stopped in the middle of the road and both of them got out of the vehicle and started toward my vehicle. Honestly, they both looked completely insane, and they were yelling and laughing as they loped toward me.
All I did was pick up my handgun from the seat beside me and hold it up so they could see it. They stopped in their tracks, and one said to the other, "****, let's get out of here." They retreated, got back into their vehicle, and sped off.
I felt pretty powerful at that point, and I didn't even have to fire a shot. But I can ASSURE you - I would have if necessary, and I guess they realized that.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
I can't wait to see how those who have claimed this can not happen explain it.
She's lucky she was alone....I've heard that a handgun would make her a great danger to her companions.
Some say that a whistle is the best defense.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
I've heard all manner of crap.
Doesn't make any of it true.
Now don't get me wrong.
I am not saying that every single situation needs a gun pulled out.
And I will flat out admit that there are and will be times when pulling out a firearm will in fact escalate the violence.
However, I know for a fact that the claim "pulling out a gun ALWAYS escalates the violence" is nothing more than a big steaming pile of bull ****.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
A whistle wouldn't have done me a bit of good in that situation.
I think the key is RESPONSIBLE gun ownership (surely that goes without saying). For instance, with that particular handgun, I always made sure that the safety was on, and that if my kids were in the car, it was locked up in the glove compartment. But when I was traveling alone (as I often had to do during that time in my life, as my job required lots of driving, and often to very industrial areas), I kept that handgun on the seat beside me.
And I was glad to have it that day.
I think the key is RESPONSIBLE gun ownership (surely that goes without saying). For instance, with that particular handgun, I always made sure that the safety was on, and that if my kids were in the car, it was locked up in the glove compartment. But when I was traveling alone (as I often had to do during that time in my life, as my job required lots of driving, and often to very industrial areas), I kept that handgun on the seat beside me.
And I was glad to have it that day.
Well, I still thank my lucky stars that you & yours survived the ordeal of your possessing a handgun.
What would this place be without you?
What would this place be without you?
Source?
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
SANE people? I would say that mentally unstable people tend to use guns - and any number of other tools - to perpetuate violence.
Most of the people I personally know own handguns, rifles, etc. - and I only know one who has used a gun in a violent way. And I can assure you that he is such a violent person that he doesn't need a gun to commit an assault. (He didn't shoot the gun he was brandishing by the way - but he did use it as a threat.)
In fact, now that I think about it, I'm not sure I know ANYONE over 21 who DOESN'T own at least one gun. And right off the top of my head, I can think of at least three who have used their guns to thwart a crime.
Most of the people I personally know own handguns, rifles, etc. - and I only know one who has used a gun in a violent way. And I can assure you that he is such a violent person that he doesn't need a gun to commit an assault. (He didn't shoot the gun he was brandishing by the way - but he did use it as a threat.)
In fact, now that I think about it, I'm not sure I know ANYONE over 21 who DOESN'T own at least one gun. And right off the top of my head, I can think of at least three who have used their guns to thwart a crime.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I just gave a true scenario from my own life.
I can give you other true stories from the lives of family and friends if you like, in which they used a gun to prevent a criminal act. I know at least three other people right off the top of my head.
And get this - none of them had to actually fire a single shot.
Bismillah
Submit
Kathryn a violent act is not just isolated to violence perpetuated on others.
Shooting an animal, for example, is a violent act initself.
Now taken the context that I was discussing with others, pulling out a gun in defense against another person, that violent act is narrowed to one perpetuated against others.
So again, I think it is unarguable that guns are always intended for violence and bringing one out will almost assuredly guarantee that the situation is tipped in that favor.
Wow that is indeed remarkable. Were the assailants armed with guns?
dallas1125
Covert Operative
Umm, wouldnt Kathryns story fit this?
Already done by Kathryn....no shot fired, but her safety preserved.
This is a common scenario. I've personally experienced it too, but I won't give details.
Interesting reading....
http://gunowners.org/op0206.htm
Kleck has his critics, but quibble primarily on the frequency of use in self-defense.
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Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Actual violence, injury and the committing of a criminal act was DETERRED in every situation I am prepared to illustrate. By simply the presence of a gun.
The presence of a gun is not violent in and of itself. Nor is the act of showing someone that you have a gun.
The presence of a gun is not violent in and of itself. Nor is the act of showing someone that you have a gun.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Because it is not trivial.
it is a bold faced lie used to elicit an emotional reaction.
Source please.