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Prop 8 in California
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doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
In some times and some places. Since you know how to find Wiki, look up "Disenfranchisement after the Civil War". Learn something. Come back and discuss.
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Not until you do your homework, young padawan. If you'll please read more carefully, I didn't ask you to look up "the Civil War." Check my request again and come back with less ignorance on "Disfranchisement After the Civil War", please.
Thanks in advance for your prompt attention to this matter.
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The Voice of Reason
Doctor of Thinkology
I can feel God's love in your words.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
I'm not sure if it has been raised here....but can some one tell me what the big deal in ALLOWING gays to marry?
Sounds to me like RELIGION interfering in Government...once again....
Did we throw out that (Separation of church and state)....?
Sounds to me like RELIGION interfering in Government...once again....
Did we throw out that (Separation of church and state)....?
Hey, well with that being the case this could actually end up being a good thing in a weird way. If this were to get kicked up to the federal supreme courts and they ruled against the proposition then those standards would have to apply across the board. In one fell swoop we would have gay marriage legalized in all states. The downside is that I think the federal supreme court judges tend to be more conservative so they could just as easily end up ruling against it which would be a terrible setback. At least it's getting challenged in the California supreme court. If they strike it down maybe people will finally start to get the message that discrimination and bigotry are against the law. Maybe they'll finally start accepting minorities... hey, a girl can hope can't she?
You'd like to back any of this pathetic drivel up?
Much like religion, political affiliation and property ownership. :sarcastic
If it is defeated, it would only be done so on Constitutional (either state or federal) grounds. That is also the voice of the people.
I hope it's more that people object to creating new grounds for people to sue doctors who perform abortions, with the aim of driving as many as possible out of the area of practice... creating an effective abortion ban, since a true legal one seems out of grasp.
Mine does. Society has yet to collapse.
lilithu
The Devil's Advocate
Yes it has. Aren't you a bunch of socialists?! :cover:
(sorry, couldn't resist.)
lilithu
The Devil's Advocate
Nope, I was wrong. There isn't a challenge already underway.
There are THREE.
Gay rights backers file 3 lawsuits challenging Prop. 8 - Los Angeles Times
Just to clarify, the lawsuits are directed towards the California State Supreme Court, the same court that recognized the right to marriage equality a few months back, not the Federal U.S. Supreme Court. The reason why is because the situation has changed and thus the lawsuit is different. The previous suit claimed that denying same-sex marriages constituted discrimination (and the court agreed). These new lawsuits are based on the fact that prop 8 took away a right from a group that had already been recognized. Can't do that. Nope. :no:
I've just been informed by riverwolf that same-sex marriages that are already in place will still be valid even if prop 8 makes it through the court system. I'm not sure where he got the info but maybe he'll drop by and post a link(if I light a fire under his bum)
What really makes me upset about this whole scenario is the fact that the most likely reason behind why prop 8 got the majority vote wasn't because the majority of people wanted it to pass, but because many people who were against it were of the mindset that "there's no way it will pass, so there's really no point in me going out to vote." My mom just told me that my brother didn't go out and vote because he thought "there's no way it'll pass anyway.":fork:. And I imagine many others had that same mindset. Well maybe this will act as a wake up call to those people that YES IT DOES MATTER.
)What really makes me upset about this whole scenario is the fact that the most likely reason behind why prop 8 got the majority vote wasn't because the majority of people wanted it to pass, but because many people who were against it were of the mindset that "there's no way it will pass, so there's really no point in me going out to vote." My mom just told me that my brother didn't go out and vote because he thought "there's no way it'll pass anyway.":fork:. And I imagine many others had that same mindset. Well maybe this will act as a wake up call to those people that YES IT DOES MATTER.
The Voice of Reason
Doctor of Thinkology
Would you be willing to accept his religiously based bias as a legitimate source?
stacey bo bacey
oh no you di'int
I've just been informed by riverwolf that same-sex marriages that are already in place will still be valid even if prop 8 makes it through the court system. I'm not sure where he got the info but maybe he'll drop by and post a link(if I light a fire under his bum
What really makes me upset about this whole scenario is the fact that the most likely reason behind why prop 8 got the majority vote wasn't because the majority of people wanted it to pass, but because many people who were against it were of the mindset that "there's no way it will pass, so there's really no point in me going out to vote." My mom just told me that my brother didn't go out and vote because he thought "there's no way it'll pass anyway.":fork:. And I imagine many others had that same mindset. Well maybe this will act as a wake up call to those people that YES IT DOES MATTER.
I also thought maybe the wording might have confused people. I don't live in CA so I don't know what it read like, but maybe that was another factor?
The Voice of Reason
Doctor of Thinkology
It sounds like the morality police in your country are doing a fine job. Keep up the good work.
I don't think so as on the ballot it specifically said "will remove(or deny) RIGHT of same sex couples to marry." I don't know if that's the exact wording but I know it's close. And I just feel the need to emphasize the word "right" for those who fail to see that this is in fact a rights issue.
Well, we have universal health care and no tests of faith for elected offices, so if the shoe fits...
I looked it up, below is a link to the official wording that was on the ballot. It starts off with "eliminates right of same-sex couples to marry."
Proposition 8 July 3, 2008 Eliminates Right of Same-Sex Couples to Initiative 07-0068 Marry. Initiative Constitutional Amendmen