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Can you be converted?

Rex

Founder
Just wondering what it would take for YOU personally to be converted from what you believe in now.

Some people here have been with different religions at different points in time, and I am just wondering what it was that converted you?

Age, Maturity, Someone else, a traumatic experience?
 

Master Vigil

Well-Known Member
It has to be proven to me personally, not through evidence per se, but evidence may be useful. It needs to strike me down deep and make me feel like I can't have it any other way. I've only found that feeling when meditating in the mountains.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
well the "my book says so" argument just doen't cut it for me...

so I guess short of creator apearing and telling me I'm on the wrong path then I guess I'd have to say nope, I'm not a good candidate for conversion.

wa:do
 

Ceridwen018

Well-Known Member
Um yes, evidence would be nice. We'll start with a source other than the one that god supposedly wrote about himself. Once the bonds of circular reasoning are broken, we'll be getting somewhere.
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
I have to go with Lightkeeper on this one. For me to convert or change my views (which has happened) it would have to from inside myself. A spiritual awakening, if you will.
 
My philosophies revolve around a constant evolution and metamorphosis of the self, so I suppose I am constantly in a state of conversion from within. But to actually convert me? Good luck, because I am a hard sell. I listen to input, but I find most 'spiritual leaders' to be sucking voids of self interest. Most of the wiser things I learned came from watching nature. Patterns in the sand, etc.. A book that has been endlessly edited will never sell me and that is a fact. Now if God shows up at my house and tells me to knock it off, I will probably listen. But until then I will work with the assumption that if I am screwing it up too bad the least he can do is leave me a voice mail.
 

Bastet

Vile Stove-Toucher
I'm with Fra.Morelia here...gimme voice mail! :lol: Seriously though, I don't hold to any one specific 'belief system' anyway, I'm a work in progress. As I change and grow, some of my beliefs change and grow, and I suspect will continue to do so until the day I die. I'm with Lightkeeper and Maize in that respect - change comes from within, not from someone standing on a pulpit, waving a book at me.
 

tumble_weed

Member
Ceridwen018 said:
Um yes, evidence would be nice. We'll start with a source other than the one that god supposedly wrote about himself. Once the bonds of circular reasoning are broken, we'll be getting somewhere.

how about I just quote this...:D
 

Runt

Well-Known Member
There would have to be evidence and I would have to feel that it is truth deep down. If the evidence is strong enough, I won't be able to do anything BUT change my beliefs. Until then... I shall continue to wander :)
 

quick

Member
So you say you want evidence.

Jesus was born in Bethlehem, but grew up in Nazareth, a lower class town far from the seat of power and influence, Jerusalem. As a Nazarene, he was looked down upon by the teachers, scribes and businessmen in Jerusalem. He was poor his entire life. He had little formal education, although he clearly knew the Scripture well. He had no political power; he had no military power; he had no economic power; he never travelled more than 50 or 100 miles from his home, except when he was carried to Egypt as a baby. He had a relatively few followers. He died at 33 in ignominious fashion. His followers were scattered, and held no power or influence as well. His message was carried about Asia minor and the Mediterranean by fishermen, laborers, and one tentmaker who was trained as a Jewish lawyer, and this handful of rabble were heavily persecuted by the most powerful rulers and kingdoms of the day. And yet....

He is the founder of the one religion that has spread farther--into every continent--and with more adherents than any other religion in history.

Something to think about.

As for me personally, I was an agnostic for years. Raised in a Christian home, I rejected the faith completely. In the early 1990s, I began to want to go to church again. I went to a church near my home, just to see what it was like. Slowly but surely, the Bible and the teaching began to hit me in a way they had never done before. I talked with other Christians, and voila, I realized the Holy Spirit had opened my eyes to the truth. It was subtle, but definite. I thank God that he reached out to me, who was, and is, a terrible sinner. I was an unsaved sinner, but now I am a righteous sinner, saved and resting in the Lord. I am truly blessed.
 

Master Vigil

Well-Known Member
The evidence you gave did not prove he did miracles, did not prove he was the son of god, did not prove he rose from the dead, did not prove god exists. Only proved that a wonderful man brought followers to his way and his way spread across the world. This also happened with many other religions. And the only reason it spread farther is because of wars and missionaries who converted people by the sword. Of course, not all of them were like that, but many. Makes you think about the message christianity brings.
 
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