Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
You lost me. How is a handout a handout when it's not a handout?A handout is a handout -- plain and simple
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You lost me. How is a handout a handout when it's not a handout?A handout is a handout -- plain and simple
I should clarify, though, that what I find repugnant is the practice of making the "charity" contingent on coming to services and the like. If you want to stick an informational pamphlet in a food box, that's one thing. Making addicts sign statements of faith to stay in rehab is another.
Glad to hear it.We don't work that way.
OK, now I'm impressed. Beautifully done. :clapAs a matter of fact, when the Tsuamni stuck Southeast Asia the day after Christmas a few years ago, we not only deilvered food and clothing to the predominently Muslim population of the affected area, we also delivered hundreds of copies of the Qur'an.
Pardon my harshness, but a lot of the people on welfare have worked harder than you ever will. "We believe people should work for it," sounds like the poster child for opinions of the privileged.We do not agree with government welfare because we believe that people should work for it. How is that a problem?
Pardon my harshness, but a lot of the people on welfare have worked harder than you ever will. "We believe people should work for it," sounds like the poster child for opinions of the privileged.
Pardon my harshness, but a lot of the people on welfare have worked harder than you ever will. "We believe people should work for it," sounds like the poster child for opinions of the privileged.
The facts and the LDS response to the facts are separate things. I'm not asking you to represent the LDS position, I'm discussing your personal understanding of the economic situation of America's poor.Don't ever assume anything. Besides, that is my opinion on it and you should (as I did) defer to Kathryn's and Jonny's answers for official LDS teachings/statements on this subject.
I didn't infer that.I don't think the question is whether people worked hard - it's if they worked for what they received from the government.
Calling them lazy is incorrect, and imo immoral.
Right, and since non-Mormons don't matter, it all works out.
One thought that occurs to me are the fundamentalist polygamous Mormons in Northern Arizona whose multiple wives and children live off TANF because they officially have no husband. They would be an exception, I suppose.
Yeah, I did, and I got something very different out of it. He's saying that maybe you don't believe in government welfare because you have a Church that takes on that obligation.
Which is great for you, but leaves non-Mormons high and dry. How is that fair?
Okay, so you don't like government welfare, as conservatives you want as small a government as can be, makes sense to me. You can also take care of your own, great! Does this extend to people of your community that are not LDS? If not, why do the LDS in your community get this kind of help whereas the others have no where else to turn but to the government?
And in a perfect world, that's exactly what would happen. Unfortunately, not everybody in need has a family they can turn to.I don't think that non-Mormons should be left high and dry. I think most Mormons believe that people's families should take care of them before the government steps in and that local communities should provide resources before the federal government does.
I think so, yes. Portland's pretty good about such things. I wouldn't swear to it, though.Do you think that people in your local community would donate their time and money to a "community farm" or "community cannery" that exist to help feed those who are poor in your community?
Yes, but depending on how much time, they're not always able. There's another soup kitchen that runs on that principle, and they do a great job.Do you think that those who are poor would be willing to donate their time in return for food and essential household items?
I don't think this has anything to do with Mormons being conservative. Those who are in the "Mormon culture" tend to be very skeptical of the government in general. I don't think this has anything to do with being conservative. I think these are attitudes passed down from times when the government screwed the church members over.
I agree, and I really don't believe that the Church is pushing for the abolition of government welfare. We've got a great system that works, and when anyone starts bashing it, it's clear to me that they are simply uninformed. I find it amusing more than insulting.I think that the Mormon church's charity work is admirable, but community help like this can't fully replace government assistance. The poorest families are often in trouble specifically because they don't have good connections. They don't have friends, family members or groups like this who are able or willing to help them out. Also, since we're talking about the U.S., remember that every person has a lifetime limit of five years of welfare (including people with serious disabilities and so on), so anyone getting it has to be preparing for what they'll do when it runs out; it's not a long-term supplement.
My mum reminded me Tithes, are not as they have always been....we didn't have wages, so food would have been the earnings given to the churches and so is that a continuation of this?
If so, do like that and the sense of community support often seen from young Mormons, volunteering to travel and help peoples....
Don't start please, i asked hinting at, that all churches should be doing that....If you're the new Messiah, why do you have to ask questions about the program? After all, you set it up through latter-day prophets.
I'm assuming you're planning on returning your social security checks.So you just want free handouts without having to do anything?
We tithe, but tithing money is kept entirely separate from funds that support the Church Welfare System. Tithing money goes towards a number of other things, such as the building of churches and temples, the printing of copies of the Bible and the Book of Mormon, Church Universities, etc. The Church's Welfare and Humanitarian programs are not funded by tithing.My mum reminded me Tithes, are not as they have always been....we didn't have wages, so food would have been the earnings given to the churches and so is that a continuation of this?
If so, do like that and the sense of community support often seen from young Mormons, volunteering to travel and help peoples....