Irony of the evolutionary belief

[YoursTrue]

Why are you so desperate to deny reality? You do not seem to understand that volcaniclastics are still volcanic in origin and are therefore classified as igneous.

I suggest you read the article. https://volcanology.geol.ucsb.edu/facies.htm Maybe it will help you.

 

[John53]

I understand that you don't understand. God alone is the one that can help you to understand better.

And which God is that? So I can prepare myself for a visit or phone call.

Notice what Dr. Carl Sagan said in his book, Cosmos,"...we may have only another few decades until Doomsday. A more detailed comparison of the incidence of wars before and after 1945 might help to clarify this question. It is of more than passing concern." He wrote that several decades ago. According to the Doomsday Clock scientists, mankind is closer than ever to disaster.
How do you feel about that? According to evolutionists', death is the natural scheme of things anyway. Whether it's sooner or later.

Sagan was an astronomer who I know very little of and I've never read the book. What one person claims does not really affect me one way or the other.

People die, what's your point?

 

[YoursTrue]

And which God is that? So I can prepare myself for a visit or phone call.



Sagan was an astronomer who I know very little of and I've never read the book. What one person claims does not really affect me one way or the other.

People die, what's your point?

Many scientists are saying now what Dr. Sagan proclaimed some time ago -- aside from death via evolution, things don't look too good scientifically speaking by scientists for the human race. Hey! Have a good one while you consider this, if you will. Take care.

 

[John53]

Many scientists are saying now what Dr. Sagan proclaimed some time ago -- aside from death via evolution, things don't look too good scientifically speaking by scientists for the human race. Hey! Have a good one while you consider this, if you will. Take care.

So no news on which God I should be expecting?

Got a list of these many scientists?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

There is a big difference between

1) classifying animals (or plants) according to their real characteristics, which is very useful for our knowledge of the reality, and

2) determining the order of appearance of the different species and their supposed relationship of "familiarity" depending on that classification that was artificially created.

Whoever does the second is locked in a vicious circle.

If the classification of animals is done based on their actual real characteristics (like comparative anatomy and comparative genomics), then that classification is anything BUT "artificially created".

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

From the perspective of an atheist-style BigBang

An "atheist-style big bang"?

Just out of interest: are you aware that the cosmologist that came up with, and developed, big-bang theory was actually also a christian priest?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The one who invented the Piltdown man is very famous too.

Not as famous as the scientist who exposed it as a fraud.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Sounds like a word game and an excuse to avoid the question . All I need to do is change the word God for Designer . And your whole argument will collapse

So

1 the big bang was caused by a designer

2 the big bag was casued y an unknown natural mechanism


Why do you prefer 2 over 1?

Occam's razor.

We know that Designers and nature excist. So we are even.

The "designers" we know about, are physical entities that live IN the universe and are dependend on a relatively matured universe (with star systems, chemistry, bio-chemistry, etc). They are not "supernatural" entities that exist "outside of time" and other such magical mumbo-jumbo.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

By your logic


1 We know elephants excist

2 We dont know about a hypothetical form of matter that produces gravitational efects , but doesn't interact with light or the electromagnetic field (dark matter)

So by your logic and @Subduction Zone ) elephants are a better explanation than dark matter for the observed gravitational lensing


Dont you see any flaws in this logic ?

I see the flaws in that logic already.
They probably aren't the same flaws you are pretending they are though

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

But you dont have evidence for natural mechanisms capable of causing big bangs



We have evidence for designers (people for example)

Ow yes, and we all know humans are valid candidates for being the creators of the universe.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Not intend to insult all evolutionists, but believe me: who cares what so stupidly arrogant people (some of them) has to say?

Anyone who actually wants to get something done.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Hehehe, like how? Do you know what new animal species comes after humans?

A subspecies.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

But evolutionists' are sure humans will evolve to maybe(?) another species? who knows, do evolutionists?

Not "another" species. A sub-species.


Life has 2 "choices" which are inevitable over time: speciate (evolve) or go extinct.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

They do.

The doctrine says that the evolution of new species is an infinite natural process with no fixed goal.

The goal is to survive and reproduce.
The choices are that, or extinction.

But even is there are thousands of human variations, all of us are humans and nothing else ... not even apes as some of they say.

All species always remain within their lineage.
Sub-species of humans will still be humans.
Just like humans remain primates, mammals, vertebrates, eukaryotes,....

We are primates because our ancestors were primates.
We are mammals because our ancestors were mammals.
We are chordates because our ancestors were chordates.
Our descendents will also be primates, mammals, chordates.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

That is why logic really doesn't play a part in the minds of some believers in evolution as if that's how we all came about, although I can understand their viewpoints (sometimes). Gorillas remain gorillas, chimps stay as chimps.

Funny.

Irony of the evolutionary belief

One week ago I would have believed you...... But I was told by you atheist friends that testimonies are not evidence..... So apparently there is no evidence that you have written any papers I am not, nor have I ever been an atheist. But I do appreciate their honesty, knowledge and insight...

www.religiousforums.com

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Telling how an animal could be closer or farther than a similar or dissimilar animal is not an exact science or those studies are definitive.

Have you ever heared about this thing called DNA?

 

[Valjean]

Not at all. There is nothing to misunderstand. You are making up lies, sorry to have to tell you this, but -- you are.

But his "lies" are evidenced and demonstrable. Are yours?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I suggest you read the article. https://volcanology.geol.ucsb.edu/facies.htm Maybe it will help you.

I read it, I understood it. You did not understand it, you cherry picked it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I see the flaws in that logic already.
They probably aren't the same flaws you are pretending they are though

I tire rather easily of @leroy 's nonsense. If he owned up to his errors instead of just trying to reword it he might be more bearable.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Many scientists are saying now what Dr. Sagan proclaimed some time ago -- aside from death via evolution, things don't look too good scientifically speaking by scientists for the human race. Hey! Have a good one while you consider this, if you will. Take care.

Do you think that this helps you in any way?

You should try to learn how to make a rational argument.