Irony of the evolutionary belief

[Eli G]

If, according to evolutionists, human intelligence eventually emerged in an environment that was previously lifeless for millions and millions of years... what is so strange that a Superior Intelligence has already existed for another INFINITE number of years BEFORE that period of time?

 

[F1fan]

I would question how much intelligence has emerged in some humans given what they believe.

 

[cladking]

I would question how much intelligence has emerged in some humans given what they believe.

I doubt there is such a thing as intelligence.

 

[John53]

If, according to evolutionists, human intelligence eventually emerged in an environment that was previously lifeless for millions and millions of years... what is so strange that a Superior Intelligence has already existed for another INFINITE number of years BEFORE that period of time?

What's ironic?

 

[McBell]

If, according to evolutionists, human intelligence eventually emerged in an environment that was previously lifeless for millions and millions of years... what is so strange that a Superior Intelligence has already existed for another INFINITE number of years BEFORE that period of time?

The Hide and Seek Champion of the world is Big Foot.
The hide and seek champion of all creation is God.

 

[McBell]

What's ironic?

Good question...

 

[F1fan]

What's ironic?

That we are asking questions expecting rational answers.

 

[Willamena]

Intelligence isn't biology.

 

[Valjean]

If, according to evolutionists, human intelligence eventually emerged in an environment that was previously lifeless for millions and millions of years... what is so strange that a Superior Intelligence has already existed for another INFINITE number of years BEFORE that period of time?

"
"Millions and millions" is an evidenced observation.
"A Superior Intelligence" is a whole different claim, made up out of whole cloth. It answers no questions, fills no need, and lacks any, objective supporting evidence.

"What's so strange?" Nothing. There are thousands of imaginary myths and legends in the world; nothing particularly strange about this one.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

If, according to evolutionists, human intelligence eventually emerged in an environment that was previously lifeless for millions and millions of years...

Huh? Human intelligence didn't emerge in an environment that was previously lifeless.
What on earth are you on about?

Why is it that anti-science folks seem to only be able to argue strawmen?

what is so strange that a Superior Intelligence has already existed for another INFINITE number of years BEFORE that period of time?

You mean, aside from the undemonstrable, undefendable, unsupportable, unfalsifiable and unevidenced magical nature of that claim?

 

[ChristineM]

If, according to evolutionists, human intelligence eventually emerged in an environment that was previously lifeless for millions and millions of years... what is so strange that a Superior Intelligence has already existed for another INFINITE number of years BEFORE that period of time?

Human intelligence emerged from an environment that was full of life and had been for billions of years.

What is strange is that there is a complete lack of evidence for a superior intelligence.

Unless of course you can prove me wrong

 

[Mock Turtle]

If, according to evolutionists, human intelligence eventually emerged in an environment that was previously lifeless for millions and millions of years... what is so strange that a Superior Intelligence has already existed for another INFINITE number of years BEFORE that period of time?

Odd use of terms, but if one can trace the steps back as to things happening (and why) then we might get some understanding as to processes involved - and as to such evolution seems to work quite well. Show any steps for the existence of God - apart from the logic ones and that might be used to prove the existence of almost anything. One of the natural laws tends to be that new knowledge builds on prior knowledge and hence why we tend to become more intelligent over time - as long as we discard that which doesn't make sense any longer - like YEC beliefs.

 

[wellwisher]

If, according to evolutionists, human intelligence eventually emerged in an environment that was previously lifeless for millions and millions of years... what is so strange that a Superior Intelligence has already existed for another INFINITE number of years BEFORE that period of time?

The confusion is connected to the fact that modern human intelligence is no longer a direct function of our human DNA. Human DNA is connected to natural selection. Natural selection is connected to type of natural intelligence, that allows human to fit into nature as part of ecosystems. However, living in cities is not natural. Cities are full of man made things and manmade priorities, that cannot integrate like a natural ecosystem.

We humans no longer evolve by only natural selection. Rather we also evolve via man made selection; learned knowledge and will and choice. This stems from a different type of human intelligence, that is not exactly natural, and not exactly connected to our DNA, since it can do the opposite of our natural DNA intelligence.

For example, transgender people are born with DNA that defines one sex, while their mind sees another. That is not how natural selection works, since this is not even integrated within itself never mind nature. It opposes itself and uses manmade medical goods and serves to reach a willful choice that can differ from the DNA.

If you look at religion, science does not give religion ideas credibility, in the sense of being real in a material sense. However, since the religions of the world, have had a leading role for centuries, something less than material tangible was driving human selection within cultures. This was not exactly from the DNA, which is connected to natural materialism and natural selection that science studies. It was based on ethereal things not of this world.

The story of Genesis is about the transition from paradise, which was connected to DNA based instinct and natural selection; where science studies, to a new world view based on will and choice; eat of the tree of knowledge (learn) instead of just flow by natural instinct. This symbolized the emergence of modern human consciousness, where the brain can lead the DNA; impose human selection. This is what the world religions study; creation that can differ from the natural.

Religion is the prime example of human selective pressures. Science does not see religion as material connected, but more like mind and imagination over matter. This selection process has had an impact on our human DNA. We now have two centers of the consciousness; inner self connected to our DNA, and the ego which is more modern and allows alternate choices beyond natural instinct, most of which is based on learned behavior.

Humans have transcended from a more natural but simple state; only the inner self, to the current more complex man made state; ego. It will next update and go toward a divine state, where the inner self and ego learn to work together, instead of being in opposition.

Science makes the mistake of assuming one center of human consciousness connected to the DNA from the first human to the present. But the secondary or ego center also emerged. It is relatively new and appears to have emerged about 6-10K years ago. You need internal data to be able to differentiate these two centers. Science is not up for the task, yet.

 

[ChristineM]

Science is not up for the task, yet.

Nor is anyone else, but at least neuroscientists are learning and publishing so others can learn if they want

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The confusion is connected to the fact that modern human intelligence is no longer a direct function of our human DNA.

Nonsense.

However, living in cities is not natural. Cities are full of man made things and manmade priorities, that cannot integrate like a natural ecosystem.

Nonsense.

We humans no longer evolve by only natural selection.

Nonsense.

Rather we also evolve via man made selection; learned knowledge and will and choice. This stems from a different type of human intelligence, that is not exactly natural, and not exactly connected to our DNA, since it can do the opposite of our natural DNA intelligence.

For example, transgender people are born with DNA that defines one sex, while their mind sees another. That is not how natural selection works, since this is not even integrated within itself never mind nature. It opposes itself and uses manmade medical goods and serves to reach a willful choice that can differ from the DNA.

If you look at religion, science does not give religion ideas credibility, in the sense of being real in a material sense. However, since the religions of the world, have had a leading role for centuries, something less than material tangible was driving human selection within cultures. This was not exactly from the DNA, which is connected to natural materialism and natural selection that science studies. It was based on ethereal things not of this world.

The story of Genesis is about the transition from paradise, which was connected to DNA based instinct and natural selection; where science studies, to a new world view based on will and choice; eat of the tree of knowledge (learn) instead of just flow by natural instinct. This symbolized the emergence of modern human consciousness, where the brain can lead the DNA; impose human selection. This is what the world religions study; creation that can differ from the natural.

Religion is the prime example of human selective pressures. Science does not see religion as material connected, but more like mind and imagination over matter. This selection process has had an impact on our human DNA. We now have two centers of the consciousness; inner self connected to our DNA, and the ego which is more modern and allows alternate choices beyond natural instinct, most of which is based on learned behavior.

Humans have transcended from a more natural but simple state; only the inner self, to the current more complex man made state; ego. It will next update and go toward a divine state, where the inner self and ego learn to work together, instead of being in opposition.

Science makes the mistake of assuming one center of human consciousness connected to the DNA from the first human to the present. But the secondary or ego center also emerged. It is relatively new and appears to have emerged about 6-10K years ago. You need internal data to be able to differentiate these two centers. Science is not up for the task, yet.

More nonsense.

There is so much drivel and word salad here, I don't even know where to begin.

 

[cladking]

Intelligence isn't biology.

I think therefore I am could mean we thought ourselves into existence very much like abiogenesis that gave us a brain capable of creating ourselves. I see a new religion in our future. Or perhaps this is just a splinter group from scientism.

 

[F1fan]

I think therefore I am could mean we thought ourselves into existence very much like abiogenesis that gave us a brain capable of creating ourselves.

Absurd. More suggests without any plausible mechanism. So thoughts (which form in brains) occurred without brains so that brains could self-create? Is there a reason to take you seriously instead of laughing?

I see a new religion in our future.

If it doesn't accept facts and reasong then it will be just like other superstitions that don't offer truth.

Or perhaps this is just a splinter group from scientism.

There is no scientism. Those who think science is scientism are examples of theists who have bias against science and reason.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I think therefore I am could mean we thought ourselves into existence

Que?

very much like abiogenesis that gave us a brain capable of creating ourselves

Que?

. I see a new religion in our future.

It seems you are already there.

Or perhaps this is just a splinter group from scientism.

Use more meaningless buzzwords.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

There is no scientism. Those who think science is scientism are examples of theists who have bias against science and reason.

A thousand times, this.

Usually indeed, whenever someone 'accuses' someone of "scientism", especially on these boards, it almost always concerns a creationist of sorts who's merely trying to rationalize his / her anti-science beliefs.

 

[Valjean]

For example, transgender people are born with DNA that defines one sex, while their mind sees another. That is not how natural selection works, since this is not even integrated within itself never mind nature. It opposes itself and uses manmade medical goods and serves to reach a willful choice that can differ from the DNA.

This is, however, how variation works.There is a lot of variation in sexuality, what's selected for is another matter. I see no reason to think there's anything new in the variation we see today.
"...integrated within itself?" "...opposes itself?" ...willful choice?" -- what does this mean?

If you look at religion, science does not give religion ideas credibility, in the sense of being real in a material sense. However, since the religions of the world, have had a leading role for centuries, something less than material tangible was driving human selection within cultures. This was not exactly from the DNA, which is connected to natural materialism and natural selection that science studies. It was based on ethereal things not of this world.

???? -- not following. "Ethereal things not of the mind? Please explain.

The story of Genesis is about the transition from paradise, which was connected to DNA based instinct and natural selection; where science studies, to a new world view based on will and choice; eat of the tree of knowledge (learn) instead of just flow by natural instinct. This symbolized the emergence of modern human consciousness, where the brain can lead the DNA; impose human selection. This is what the world religions study; creation that can differ from the natural.

Religion is the prime example of human selective pressures. Science does not see religion as material connected, but more like mind and imagination over matter. This selection process has had an impact on our human DNA. We now have two centers of the consciousness; inner self connected to our DNA, and the ego which is more modern and allows alternate choices beyond natural instinct, most of which is based on learned behavior.

????

Humans have transcended from a more natural but simple state; only the inner self, to the current more complex man made state; ego. It will next update and go toward a divine state, where the inner self and ego learn to work together, instead of being in opposition.

This sounds like religious gobbledygook.

Science makes the mistake of assuming one center of human consciousness connected to the DNA from the first human to the present.

I'm not even sure what this means, much less its connection to science.

But the secondary or ego center also emerged. It is relatively new and appears to have emerged about 6-10K years ago. You need internal data to be able to differentiate these two centers. Science is not up for the task, yet.

Apparently not. as It seems to be an original idea of yours.