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Vatican Blasts Trans Surgery, Surogacy, Etc

Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

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ppp said:
Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God was such a a self-reveal for Christianity.
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It's part of the reason I call it a cult. That sermon paints a terrifying scene even if you don't believe. And so very destructive amd abusive, corrupting and distorting it os to say such a being who is so eager and willing and ready to fling us to eternal damnation is someone who loves us. Loves us so much he even sent his son to be killed by being tortured to death to save us from the eternal damnation we "deserve."
It would be well legislated if it were made the law you have to be 25 or older to go to a Christian church, especially a conservative Evangelical church. There's just too much bad stuff going on for anyone to have to endure, let alone innocent children who should ideally have childhoods free of trauma and such poisoned and twisted ideas being passed off as love.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
metis said:
Not really.

Much like Peter, the Pope has a leadership position but is not the "Lone Ranger" as he must work with the bishops, much like Perter worked with the other Apostles. As Peter certainly wasn't perfect, neither is the Pope.
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OK. Although very interesting. Someone earlier here mentioned about Catholic countries, well I suppose there are countries with predominantly Catholic populations. And can be that laws are based on religious inclination as well. For instance, what's going on here in the United States regarding abortion and decisions by the state.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
metis said:
Yes, and I do believe he's caught between a rock and a hard place. The conservative bishops do not like him because he is sometimes willing to stray off the "path", and the liberal bishops want him to go even farther to the left than he's been.

As you know, PF is the first Jesuit pope, and the Jesuits are generally more liberal as they generally are more free-thinkers more open to objective science. This is why I like him so much and why I do feel sorry for the Catch-22 he's in with his vintage years and poor health. Thus, I believe it was maybe a gesture to the right to try to prevent more schism? I don't know.
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Which leads me to a question -- about the first Pope -- was he elected?
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

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Rival said:
I don't know but that Westerners seem to think everything ought be an individual choice, or theology and religion has no part in it. I mean, there's a theology of almost everything; if you're truly religious it should matter to you. If you are religious you don't always have free choice and you are bound by what your religion teaches, that's the way it's always been.
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I think we Westerners have just largely gotten tired of it. Religion (specifically Christianity) gets used very often to abuse and repress. Wars and witch trials. Neighbor against neighbor. It's why the American Founders formally and officially secular. Even your country only saw armed conflict that was heavily fueled by religion for a very long time only came to an end about 30 years ago. It's been a long time since it's really united, and even then it unites amd invariably someone (especially Jews and other Christians) gets it bad.
As for the second, we don't really teach taking vows and oaths and promises seriously anymore. We don't seem to instill the idea that a person's value is as good as their word upon younger generations. So of course people are going to see religion as being pick and choose and what I want because we don't expect people to take it seriously when they say they're going to do something.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

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Saint Frankenstein said:
I'm not a Catholic and don't care if anyone criticizes it. Hell, I do, too. I just don't get the hatred from people who aren't effected by it. It just seems like an excuse to bash. I could bash it, too, but I don't see the reason as I'm no longer a member of that religion, am no longer beholden to their doctrines, and am happy where I'm at.

Anti-Catholicism is a specific form of bigotry, however, and It's common in parts of America.
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Yeah, this isn't like traditional hatred towards Catholicism. This is the Vatican wanting to judge people, and judge them while they themselves have defended, shieldee and harbored child molesters. IVF doesn't harm anyone and they want to stand in a soapbox and denounce it, and do so while helping Father Chomo remain a free man who gets to hurt more kids.
This is an organization that has earned scorn and contempt.
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

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Shadow Wolf said:
Yeah, this isn't like traditional hatred towards Catholicism. This is the Vatican wanting to judge people, and judge them while they themselves have defended, shieldee and harbored child molesters. IVF doesn't harm anyone and they want to stand in a soapbox and denounce it, and do so while helping Father Chomo remain a free man who gets to hurt more kids.
This is an organization that has earned scorn and contempt.
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Okay. I guess this is a different kind of hatred then.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
IndigoChild5559 said:
Are you kidding me? While the pope may hope that his words have persuasive value, there is absolutely no indication that he believes he has authority over non-Catholics.
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The question might be, how much authority does the Pope have over Catholics? Roman Catholics, that is.
 
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