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Convince me that Putin is wrong

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
@Estro Felino Why don't you just check what the other side has to say about it:
Interesting.
The detail that they have willingly forgotten the Nordstream sabotage part, clearly demonstrates they know Putin is right. ;)
They have missed so many points by the way.
An interview of 2 hours and 5 minutes. I watched it all.

 

Soandso

ᛋᛏᚨᚾᛞ ᛋᚢᚱᛖ
Do you know how many Wikipedia articles I wrote?

Anyone can publish things on Wikipedia. It's not the Bible.

Could you link us to the Wikipedia articles you've written?

Keep in mind that Wikipedia is moderated and articles are often updated as better information comes along. If people just post anything on there, it goes away
 

Tamino

Active Member
The detail that they have willingly forgotten the Nordstream sabotage part, clearly demonstrates they know Putin is right.
"Willingly" and "clearly demonstrates"... That's your interpretation. If you are truly interested in facts you might want to be more careful with such judgements, just saying...
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
"Willingly" and "clearly demonstrates"... That's your interpretation. If you are truly interested in facts you might want to be more careful with such judgements, just saying...
I don't need articles or journalists.
Here we have a President. Who kept his promise.

 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Do you know how many Wikipedia articles I wrote?

Anyone can publish things on Wikipedia. It's not the Bible.
Which of your posts have 552 footnotes?

You deride the Wikipedia entry while asking anonymous RF members for their input. And then you suggest that we should take you seriously because you wrote articles ...
When I was younger. So many of them. In Italian. About historical characters and movies, mostly. Never about politics.
This is a joke.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Which of your posts have 552 footnotes?

You deride the Wikipedia entry while asking anonymous RF members for their input. And then you suggest that we should take you seriously because you wrote articles ...

This is a joke.
It turns out I wrote
4) no ad hominems, please.
Number four.

And I even said: please address the questions I posted, do not change topic. :)

I am able to debate without attacking my interlocutor. ;)
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
I don't know if I can agree with the statement that he "had no other option than to invade." The option to not invade always exists
This is in a way similar to the USA recently. Just 3 US soldiers died in an attack, I read, but the US reacted much more than proportional

So, although "not react" is always an option, if violence is done to you, I would not argue "there is always the option to not react"; In both cases Russia and USA
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Interesting.
The detail that they have willingly forgotten the Nordstream sabotage part, clearly demonstrates they know Putin is right. ;)
They have missed so many points by the way.
An interview of 2 hours and 5 minutes. I watched it all.

@Estro Felino
Thank you for sharing, this is a useful 5min, that clearly shows to me that Putin is willing to make good deals. And again, Tucker Carlson did well too. Alas, the USA and NATO mess things up

Now, I hope NATO takes the hand Putin offers.

Horrible, that USA on purpose made the war continue. Really mean, killing thousands of innocent people in war, and crying when 3 USA soldiers die in Jordan.

Putin makes it very clear "USA messes with others thousands of miles away". These few points alone prove to me that Putin can't be blamed in this case.

Blowing up the gas line, is also clear to me
 
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Ebionite

Well-Known Member
He's not wrong. The oppressors and evil people who support them can never see anything clearly.
In the Christian texts there are two mechanisms for this: a metaphorical head wound and a consequence of idolatry.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Enlighten me.
Correct Putin's errors.
Putin is a corrupt dictator. He was never fully respected by the world but Russia was awarded the Olympics at Socci, and later hosted annual Formula One races. Putin’s invasion forced the economic powers of the world to end relationships with Russia. Putin invested so much into Socci and then ruined it. And for what?

He could have respected Ukraine sovereignty and defended the Russian constitution and been respected by history. He’s ruined all that.
 
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