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The Big Bang Theory is dead.

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The French tried a ten day week after their revolution. It failed.

The 7 day week is a memorial to God the Creator. There is no other reason why.
You know what is cool about history? Cultures often leave written records and we can check out claims. King Sargon I of Akkad around 2300 BCE wrote the first law on record for a seven day week. Just like the Noah's Ark myth the Hebrews almost certainly copied it during the Babylonian Captivity:

 

gnostic

The Lost One
God did not make those persons sin. Once Adam sinned by willfully disobeying God, his offspring were born in sin. God allowed Adam to make his choice, and He will straighten it out for mankind one day.

Sorry. If you had read the Adam and Eve without thinking, then you would easily fall into the trap of taking the story at face value, and just blame everything on them, without ever considering God’s own role and responsibility for their failure.

God is much to be blamed for their failures, as they.

Considered the following:
  1. If God was serious about not wanting them to eat from the forbidden tree, then why plant the Tree of Knowledge at all, right smack in the middle of Eden? Or why not place the angel with flaming sword to guard the Tree, prior to Adam’s creation, and not at the end of Genesis 3?
  2. Yes, God did warn Adam to not eat that fruit. But the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge was supposed to give them wisdom to distinguish right from wrong. If such knowledge weren’t innate in their creation, can they be really at fault?

I wants to elaborate a bit more with point 2.

If the fruit was meant to magically or automatically give a person the ability to distinguish right from wrong, then that must mean Adam wasn’t created to be able to distinguish between the two. If Adam was a normal person, then it would take time to learn, and more importantly, it would require experiences, to knowing how to do the right thing.

And judging by the story, Adam and Eve didn’t have much experiences in life, before they ate the fruits. The time between Eve’s creation, and Eve’s encounter with the talking serpent, would seem rather short period of time, which would mean Eve wasn’t alive for very long. Although they were created with adult bodies, in term of experiences, they were practically children, babies even.

So. Did they even really understand what “death” mean?

God told Adam they would die, should he eat from that tree, but since they were only alive for a very short period of time, they haven’t seen any animals “die”, so I don’t think they really understood what death is.

And as they were inexperienced with knowing the differences between right and wrong, I don’t it was so surprising that serpent has so easily persuaded Eve to eat the fruit, and so easily convinced Adam to join her.

As they had no knowledge of right and wrong, unless they ate the fruit, then God is much to blame as Adam, Eve and the serpent.

If you were ever a parent, YoursTrue, you would know that teaching your child what is wrong and what is dangerous, with just words won’t stop them from taking unnecessary risks. Learning right from wrong, takes time…time they didn’t seem to have. So really it is your and your husband to watch over them, and your responsibility to protect you kid(s) from danger as much possible...something that God didn’t do.

If God did create everything, and put the Tree of Knowledge in the centre of the Garden, and this was a test of their free wills, then God had rigged the test, so they would fail, so really God is to blame as he gave them no knowledge to distinguish right from wrong.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Sorry. If you had read the Adam and Eve without thinking, then you would easily fall into the trap of taking the story at face value, and just blame everything on them, without ever considering God’s own role and responsibility for their failure.

God is much to be blamed for their failures, as they.

Considered the following:
  1. If God was serious about not wanting them to eat from the forbidden tree, then why plant the Tree of Knowledge at all, right smack in the middle of Eden? Or why not place the angel with flaming sword to guard the Tree, prior to Adam’s creation, and not at the end of Genesis 3?
  2. Yes, God did warn Adam to not eat that fruit. But the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge was supposed to give them wisdom to distinguish right from wrong. If such knowledge weren’t innate in their creation, can they be really at fault?

I wants to elaborate a bit more with point 2.

If the fruit was meant to magically or automatically give a person the ability to distinguish right from wrong, then that must mean Adam wasn’t created to be able to distinguish between the two. If Adam was a normal person, then it would take time to learn, and more importantly, it would require experiences, to knowing how to do the right thing.

And judging by the story, Adam and Eve didn’t have much experiences in life, before they ate the fruits. The time between Eve’s creation, and Eve’s encounter with the talking serpent, would seem rather short period of time, which would mean Eve wasn’t alive for very long. Although they were created with adult bodies, in term of experiences, they were practically children, babies even.

So. Did they even really understand what “death” mean?

God told Adam they would die, should he eat from that tree, but since they were only alive for a very short period of time, they haven’t seen any animals “die”, so I don’t think they really understood what death is.

And as they were inexperienced with knowing the differences between right and wrong, I don’t it was so surprising that serpent has so easily persuaded Eve to eat the fruit, and so easily convinced Adam to join her.

As they had no knowledge of right and wrong, unless they ate the fruit, then God is much to blame as Adam, Eve and the serpent.

If you were ever a parent, YoursTrue, you would know that teaching your child what is wrong and what is dangerous, with just words won’t stop them from taking unnecessary risks. Learning right from wrong, takes time…time they didn’t seem to have. So really it is your and your husband to watch over them, and your responsibility to protect you kid(s) from danger as much possible...something that God didn’t do.

If God did create everything, and put the Tree of Knowledge in the centre of the Garden, and this was a test of their free wills, then God had rigged the test, so they would fail, so really God is to blame as he gave them no knowledge to distinguish right from wrong.
You do not understand the provision and the account. Neither did Eve. Have a good evening.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Big Bang is dead.

Redshift anomalies and other things that invalidate the Big Bang expansion

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ft_Data_and_the_Myth_of_Cosmological_Distance
Click on see the full text.

Anomalies in the count of low red shift quasars.

Anomalies in the Counts of Low Redshift Quasars

https://assa.saao.ac.za/wp-content/...liffe-A-review-of-anomalous-redshift-data.pdf

Redshift Anomalies and the Big Bang – Anthony Beckett

Is a new anomaly affecting the entire Universe?

Galaxies and the Universe - Alternate Approaches and the Redshift Controversy

These two shows that today’s age estimate is a farce. The very exact number may be off by 100%. Of course if 100% is the error, then -100% puts it at about 6000 years.

'Tired light' might make the universe twice as old as we thought

Scientists have revisited the disproven light ageing hypothesis, which suggests the universe has been around for almost 27 billion years

More problems with the Big Bang Theory and the redshift explanation.

Plasma Cosmology .net

Exploring Cosmic Voids and Anomalies: The Mystery of the Cold Spot

Large Scale Cosmological Anomalies and Inhomogeneous Dark Energy

What if the Universe Is NOT Expanding?

The Big Bang Theory-A Scientific Critique [Part I] [Whole] - Apologetics Press

Galaxy Making Stars at the Edge of the Universe and Other “Surprises”

https://act.princeton.edu/sites/g/files/toruqf1171/files/a9r1o5g11h_6viqvc_3u4_0.pdf

The Scientific Evidence Against the Big Bang - LPP Fusion

Quasar with enormous redshift found embedded in nearby spiral galaxy with far lower redshift

The Big Bang Bust-Up

The Big Bang Never Happened: A Conclusive Argument

https://par.nsf.gov/servlets/purl/10338699

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18625061-800-did-the-big-bang-really-happen/

https://darkmattercrisis.wordpress.com/category/cosmology/mond/

https://www.sci.news/astronomy/science-universe-not-expanding-01940.html

https://www.quantamagazine.org/astronomers-get-their-wish-and-the-hubble-crisis-gets-worse-20201217/

https://physicsworld.com/a/are-giant-galaxy-clusters-defying-standard-cosmology/

http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/redshift.html

Web telescope

Too many spiral galaxies in the early universe.

James Webb telescope spots thousands of Milky Way lookalikes that 'shouldn't exist' swarming across the early universe

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/james-webb-telescope-spots-thousands-173000173.html

Yep it was cancelled. I'm watching it now thanks to reruns.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
God could have created everything in a fraction of a second that is true.
Could have, why not? It's not like there were witnesses to impress. But that's OK because Genesis gets the order of development wrong. Twice.
But God wanted to set the 7 day week pattern which most of the world keeps. Why is that?
Because you're making all this up. None of this is in the Bible, you are inventing content as if you are God yourself. You might as well write your own version of the Bible with all the imaginative things you add.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Because you're making all this up. None of this is in the Bible, you are inventing content as if you are God yourself. You might as well write your own version of the Bible with all the imaginative things you add.
I will disagree a bit with this. In the myth God rested on the seventh day, and in the rest of the books of the Torah (not written by Moses) there is reference back to this in their laws about the sabbath. Of course where did they get this idea from? Probably from Babylonia. Those books were likely written there during the Babylonian captivity and they had been observing a seven day week for 1800 years before that.
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
And apparently discovered by the Babylonians 1,800 years before the Hebrews wrote the Torah. The seven day week started with them.
Actually Adam and a number of generations kept the word tart had been revealed to them by God.
But God gave the Torah to Moses, and God created all even the Babylonians.
No reason for a 7 day week except as a memorial of God's creation.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Actually Adam and a number of generations kept the word tart had been revealed to them by God.
There was no Adam as depicted in the Genesis myth. Well educated people follow facts and history, not myths and bad interpretations. We all can see you haven't even tried to prove your flawed interpretation is actually correct, nor how history is incorrect.

So you have two tasks, 1. show the Genesis muyths are actauuly true, including how natural evidence of an old earth, and humans dating back some 200,000 years isn't valid (even though it is), and 2. that history of the many diverse civilizations, many which date before 6000 years, aren't real. You need to explain how these ancient civilizations are actually mistakes by many tens of thousands of experts in various fields. Remember, your personal religious beliefs are not evidence. Your conclusions and interpretation needs to be backed up by evidence, and that means evidence available to anyone.
But God gave the Torah to Moses, and God created all even the Babylonians.
Moses isn't considered to have been a real person of history. And God hasn't been shown to exist yet, so be careful not to make claims about what any gods do until you can demonstrate it is real. You've only made claims, and your belief isn't good enough.
No reason for a 7 day week except as a memorial of God's creation.
Or moon cycles. At least we know the moon exists, and that it rotates in consistent patterns, as does the earth going arounfd the sun which is divided into 12 months. Babylonians figured all that out and the Hebrews adopted it.

And before you go on about how God created the moon so that people could have some basis for a seven day week, look up how the moon formed (in reality). An object hit the earth and the debris collected in earth's orbit for form the moon.

When did the moon form, you ask? About 4.5 billion years ago.
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
There was no Adam as depicted in the Genesis myth. Well educated people follow facts and history, not myths and bad interpretations. We all can see you haven't even tried to prove your flawed interpretation is actually correct, nor how history is incorrect.

So you have two tasks, 1. show the Genesis muyths are actauuly true, including how natural evidence of an old earth, and humans dating back some 200,000 years isn't valid (even though it is), and 2. that history of the many diverse civilizations, many which date before 6000 years, aren't real. You need to explain how these ancient civilizations are actually mistakes by many tens of thousands of experts in various fields. Remember, your personal religious beliefs are not evidence. Your conclusions and interpretation needs to be backed up by evidence, and that means evidence available to anyone.

Moses isn't considered to have been a real person of history. And God hasn't been shown to exist yet, so be careful not to make claims about what any gods do until you can demonstrate it is real. You've only made claims, and your belief isn't good enough.

Or moon cycles. At least we know the moon exists, and that it rotates in consistent patterns, as does the earth going arounfd the sun which is divided into 12 months. Babylonians figured all that out and the Hebrews adopted it.

And before you go on about how God created the moon so that people could have some basis for a seven day week, look up how the moon formed (in reality). An object hit the earth and the debris collected in earth's orbit for form the moon.

When did the moon form, you ask? About 4.5 billion years ago.
No one has met my challenge of anything older than 6000 years.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
The French tried a ten day week after their revolution. It failed.

The 7 day week is a memorial to God the Creator. There is no other reason why.
In your head this might be so but I suspect that given we have day and night set for us, and the length of a year, the only other major thing that is also set is the Moon's waxing and waning (over one month approximately), and with two high tides each month (Spring tides) in many places (and high tides twice a day), it is just as likely that this too might have affected as to how we designated weeks and months. Give or take a little variation in timing over the course of a few billion years or so. So a week of seven days is not that hard to come by.
 

McBell

Unbound
No one has met my challenge of anything older than 6000 years.​
Your Kent Hovind challenge has been dismissed as the farce it is.
And that is giving it far more credit than it deserves.

And before you ask another question you wont accept any answer to, I have a question that you have been ignoring:
Which of the hundreds of King James versions is the one true Word of God?​
And have you figured out which version you use?​
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
No one has met my challenge of anything older than 6000 years.
Oh, you mean offer definitive answers to questions you can't answer yourself with any facts? Aint that bad luck.

The evidence we do have available to humans informs us that the universe is about 14 billions years old, and that life began on this planet from simple chemicals in an environment that supporeted more complexity. Your flawed interpretation of old myths goes against the evidence, so you lose the debate. You offer no better explanation of the evidence, so you lose. You can't offer a coherent expalantion as to how your flawed interpretation is rational and valid, so you lose.
 

McBell

Unbound
In your head this might be so but I suspect that given we have day and night set for us, and the length of a year, the only other major thing that is also set is the Moon's waxing and waning (over one month approximately), and with two high tides each month (Spring tides) in many places (and high tides twice a day), it is just as likely that this too might have affected as to how we designated weeks and months. Give or take a little variation in timing over the course of a few billion years or so. So a week of seven days is not that hard to come by.
I would like to know what "they" were thinking (or is it smoking?) when they came up with the twelve months year...
Was it simply their superstition over the number 13?
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
I would like to know what "they" were thinking (or is it smoking?) when they came up with the twelve months year...
Was it simply their superstition over the number 13?
Approximately 12 lunar cycles in a year? With such being better divisible than 13?
 
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