Subduction Zone
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Like it or not Hitler was a Christian. He may not have been your kind of Christian, but he was one nonetheless.
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Convergence Of Signs
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exchemist
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Not really. He was raised Christian but seems to have given it up in his teens, as so many do. Religious views of Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia
Hitler's religion or lack thereof is almost completely unknown. He seems to have been some kind of deist, common for his time, with a messianic vision.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
He never dropped it. He always claimed to be a Catholic. The one source claiming otherwise is not well respected today. If you read that article he was anti church more than anything else. He did not like the politics of the church.
exchemist
Veteran Member
The Wiki article, which I have indeed read, suggests he believed in some sort of God, or "Providence" (=Fate?) certainly. But that's about it.
Audie
Veteran Member
Why, in your view does a person have to be a "skeptic"
to understand that "flood" is just a story?
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Audie
Veteran Member
Being a "skeptic" is far more intellectually demanding than
just not believing everything, willy nilly.
It's about intellectual integrity.
You seem to recognize that there are -isms etc
like new age woo woo that are incompatible /
contrary to fundamentalist biblical beliefs.
So integrity requires you drop the one, or the other
does it not?
I'm not looking to derail into flood- talk.
I think you know "surely you are joking" isn't a
question, but means "you better be joking", else
you've blown your credibility out of the water.
As in, you would not keep an audience thinking
you know auto mechanics if you let slip that you really do
believe that cars can be adapted to run on water
instead of gasoline.
They certainly won't believe a follow- up claim that
you actually are a skeptic.
Hitler was raised Catholic. But I didn't say anything about the Nazis, my point is that Christians were most of the Nazis who murdered the Jews. While you are following signs of your rapture, I am following evidence that Chrisianity is not a consistent form of truth, nor allows believers moral understanding. Even you didn't understand why it's abuse to tell children about the End Times dogma and how it can disturb them. Your dogma is not truth, it's dogma that you and other Christians have adovted and believe. As I noted it is a long line of Christioans before you that believed the same thing, and their time was the End Times, and they were wrong, always.
I keep expecting Christians to learn from the past and drop this Bad News of the End Times, and start working with the rest of humanity to help the planet.
Many of your fellow Christians must be following Satan and not Jesus. How much do you reflect on your beliefs? They murdered people without question, so how safe are you when you spread your views and can't explaian how they are factual and true? Is it possible you bought in to some dogma just as they did, and just can't see it?
As many Christians did, which is why so many supported him, and joined the Nazi party. Can you explain why your fellow Christians hated the Jews? Who told them to hate the Jews? Who told you to believe what you believe?
I don't see it explained. I see believers interpret vague statements to mean what they want the Bible to mean. Your op list isn't mentoned in the Bible, yet you have interpreted certain things as meaning what you want. Where is your reasoning? Or did you cut and paste the list because someone told you that it's true, and just followed them?
Audie
Veteran Member
As noted elsewhere about integrity,
just saying things, inventing facts and
claiming them true in the name of your
" god" is really not honest nor a good endorsement
for a religion that sponsors such behaviour.
Are we supposed to argue against what the author at Harbingers claims? Reading the article shows how thin and generous the interpretations are, and all quite dubious. Why not explain why you believe this guy's article. We don;t care that you believe it, we want to know WHY you accepted his claims. Do you even know why? Did you just read it and believe it without thinking? I brought up the Christians who committed the Holocaust because it's arguable they just went along with the authority they answered to without thinking what they accepted as true. It appears you are doing the same thing if you accept what this guy wrote and can't explain to the forum why you think it is true. These are part of the forum rules, if you post an issue to discuss you need to argue reasons why it is true.
I always find it interesting how the sacred stories we treasure in our lives shape our perception of events. What does all this mean for you on a personal level, @InChrist ? Is it changing how you live your day-to-day life? If so, in what ways? If not, why not? How do you feel about all of it?
No need to really answer publicly, though I am curious. Mostly things for you to think about in terms of how your understanding of things changes who and what you are in the now.
No need to really answer publicly, though I am curious. Mostly things for you to think about in terms of how your understanding of things changes who and what you are in the now.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
I believed in the biblical God for forty years and was a devout Christian for thirty years, but I never experienced inner peace until I left Christianity and began to practice Wicca. I can honestly say that leaving Christianity was one of the best decisions I have ever made for my emotional well-being.
InChrist
Free4ever
No, Hitler was not a Christian. Being baptized or using Christian language does not make one a Christian. If anything, Hitler was a forerunner of the coming final Antichrist who will claim to be the ultimate Christian; Christ, exalting himself as god. Hitler embodied this spirit of antichrist. Below is an informative article outlining the evolution of Liberal Protestantism which led to the German Christian Movement encompassing ideas and beliefs diametrically opposed to the biblical teachings of the scriptures.
“In looking back at the theology that marked the Modern Era, it becomes apparent that era ended with the Holocaust. Most historians conclude that the Holocaust was the lid on its coffin. After all, the Modern Era failed to lead humanity to a higher level but instead brought it to the depths of degradation. And Liberal Protestantism, which rejected the foundational beliefs of Christianity and instead embraced Hitler’s ideology, was part and parcel of that failure. Richard Harries, Bishop of Oxford, in his popular work After the Evil—Christianity and Judaism in the Shadow of the Holocaust, points out that Hitler’s ideology “was not only not Christian, it was anti- Christian.”16
Though Hitler used Christian jargon to spout his venom, his actions opposed the teachings of both the Hebrew Scriptures and the New Testament.”
Was Hitler a Christian? - Jews for Jesus
Did Hitler and his followers carry out a theology that is Christian at its roots?
jewsforjesus.org
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That was also written by Christians. There is an enormous range in Christian beliefs. Hitler had his own version of Jesus. But then so do the JW's. The Mormons. Even the Baptists and others. By the rules of this forum if he was a member today he would be a "Christian". Please note, I did say that he was not your sort of Christian, but he still was one.No, Hitler was not a Christian. Being baptized or using Christian language does not make one a Christian. If anything, Hitler was a forerunner of the coming final Antichrist who will claim to be the ultimate Christian; Christ, exalting himself as god. Hitler embodied this spirit of antichrist. Below is an informative article outlining the evolution of Liberal Protestantism which led to the German Christian Movement encompassing ideas and beliefs diametrically opposed to the biblical teachings of the scriptures.
“In looking back at the theology that marked the Modern Era, it becomes apparent that era ended with the Holocaust. Most historians conclude that the Holocaust was the lid on its coffin. After all, the Modern Era failed to lead humanity to a higher level but instead brought it to the depths of degradation. And Liberal Protestantism, which rejected the foundational beliefs of Christianity and instead embraced Hitler’s ideology, was part and parcel of that failure. Richard Harries, Bishop of Oxford, in his popular work After the Evil—Christianity and Judaism in the Shadow of the Holocaust, points out that Hitler’s ideology “was not only not Christian, it was anti- Christian.”16
Though Hitler used Christian jargon to spout his venom, his actions opposed the teachings of both the Hebrew Scriptures and the New Testament.”
Was Hitler a Christian? - Jews for Jesus
Did Hitler and his followers carry out a theology that is Christian at its roots?jewsforjesus.org
InChrist
Free4ever
I was raised a Catholic, too, but I was definitely not a Christian before being saved by and submitting my life to Jesus Christ.
When one follows Christ and the teachings of the Bible then there is consistency of truth in their Christianity. When one departs from the scriptures, as Hitler did, espousing things diametrically opposed to Christ and both the Old and New Testament they have also departed from biblical truth and can no longer be considered a Christian.
So if you’re driving merrily along on a road trip and come to a warning sign that the bridge is out ahead…is that abusive? Wouldn’t it be more negligent or abusive if road maintenance personnel didn’t bother to put up a warning sign, or even worse if someone removed it and you drove over a cliff to your death?
Perhaps you can tell us what DOES make a Christian. You probably think you’re one. Does a Christian deny facts? Do they misrepresent knowledge? Can they reject the End Times and Rapture interpretations?No, Hitler was not a Christian. Being baptized or using Christian language does not make one a Christian. If anything, Hitler was a forerunner of the coming final Antichrist who will claim to be the ultimate Christian; Christ, exalting himself as god. Hitler embodied this spirit of antichrist. Below is an informative article outlining the evolution of Liberal Protestantism which led to the German Christian Movement encompassing ideas and beliefs diametrically opposed to the biblical teachings of the scriptures.
“In looking back at the theology that marked the Modern Era, it becomes apparent that era ended with the Holocaust. Most historians conclude that the Holocaust was the lid on its coffin. After all, the Modern Era failed to lead humanity to a higher level but instead brought it to the depths of degradation. And Liberal Protestantism, which rejected the foundational beliefs of Christianity and instead embraced Hitler’s ideology, was part and parcel of that failure. Richard Harries, Bishop of Oxford, in his popular work After the Evil—Christianity and Judaism in the Shadow of the Holocaust, points out that Hitler’s ideology “was not only not Christian, it was anti- Christian.”16
Though Hitler used Christian jargon to spout his venom, his actions opposed the teachings of both the Hebrew Scriptures and the New Testament.”
Was Hitler a Christian? - Jews for Jesus
Did Hitler and his followers carry out a theology that is Christian at its roots?jewsforjesus.org
As we observe Christians are a broad category from liberals to extremists. They disagree on a bast number of issues from social justice to morality. So no one really knows why Hitler can’t be a Christian when the definition is so loose.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Nope, that is a No True Scotsman Fallacy. You almost certainly were a Christian through all of your transformations. You were just shopping for the right brand for you. And one can come to some very different beliefs based upon what verses one chooses and how literally or not one reads the Bible.
InChrist
Free4ever
I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on this point big time. There is no way I would ever consider Hitler to be a Christian. I’m sure he is in the place of eternal damnation or outer darkness, not in heaven. Being a Christian has certain biblical criteria as with any other calling or profession. One may claim to be an electrician, but if they are just stringing wires together any which way without following wiring protocol and instructions with the result that the building burns down, then they are not a legitimate electrician.
What exactly have you submitted to?
What specific teachings are you referring to?
Would you say that Christians who don’t believe in the Rapture have departed from the Bible? How about those who accept evolution and reject what Genesis says?
No. It’s abusive to tell children that the end is coming and will result in terrible consequences for many including friends and family. No doubt this disturbs adults as well but they can decide to ignore this bad news from fundamentalist Christians.
I find it negligent that people in the 21st century still interpret the Bible literally.