Colt
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You don’t believe the Bible either quoting that would be no different.
The revelators of the UB had rules and I don’t know why any of them would have “known” about 9-11.
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Is Satan capable of good?
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The revelators of the UB had rules and I don’t know why any of them would have “known” about 9-11.
joelr
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Provide evidence its not fiction please.
Colt
Well-Known Member
The Bible?
joelr
Well-Known Member
You don't believe the Bible, you believe some modern fiction. The fictive book you quoted from. I do not care about 1950s made up revelations. Provide evidence it's true first. IF it gave no proof, the con artist didn't have any ESP. Like Joseph Smith. Bunch of claims.
Colt
Well-Known Member
Research the reports on some of the claims yourself.
Tinkerpeach
Active Member
Then you have nothing to worry about.
However you are taking quite the gamble because if you are wrong…..well……it’s not going to be good for you.
That works both ways.
However i have considered reason to believe im not wrong so not worried.
Tinkerpeach
Active Member
If I’m wrong nothing happens to me, I end up like you.
If you are wrong I go to Heaven and you suffer for eternity so no it doesn’t work both ways.
See I am covered either way, you are gambling that you are right.
The god of Abraham - the one who is allegedly the tri-omni god presiding over a world of suffering and who is said to have fashioned reality including the first two human beings in six days - has been ruled out empirically. We know the first is self-contradictory (incoherent) and that the second never happened. You can relax if you've been fearing that god and the things it is said to be and to do to unbelievers.
Pascal's Wager? False dichotomy. Maybe you'd better think this through a bit more. If YOU are wrong, that may well work out badly for you. You might encounter an afterlife and a panel of judges that were offended by your belief just like the god you propose will be offended by NOT holding it. Remember, as Pascal notes, your eternal soul may in the offing. Choose wisely. If mine is a correct guess and you end up in perdition for guessing incorrectly, you can't say that you weren't warned.
That is what Pascal's argument sounds like when reflected back at you. What are you going to do with that knowledge? Nothing, right?
It surprises me to read this from you. You seem to consider only modern religion fictional woo. What's the difference between it and what you call "scripture," which is also fictional woo to most skeptics and critical thinkers, just older? It's all "made up fiction" to the skeptic.
Why? What incentive is there to do that? Why does this one ism deserve research or study? Do you recommend doing the same for Mormonism and Scientology? Have you researched those ism? I haven't, but then some of their dogma found its way to me (Kolob, Xenu) and I'd seen enough.
I've seen the excerpts you've posted, but similarly, there was nothing there to make me want to "research" it further. Can you write a paragraph explaining why you believe that this particular ism merits further investigation? What has it done for you? Anything concrete? I can do that with my ism - atheistic humanism. I can give you concrete benefits to that worldview for those able to live outside of theism and religion. I can tell you how it changed my previously theistic life for the better if asked. Can you do that with your Urantia worldview?
Tinkerpeach
Active Member
To each their own.
I don’t really care about your salvation or lack of it.
Ebionite
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The idea that most people won't accept is the existence of an adversarial relationship between YHWH as Israel.
But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, [and] he fought against them.
Isaiah 63:10
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
I've been reading your posts for quite some time, so I know that Pascal's wager will not work on you and persuade you to convert to Christianity.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
That's really only a statement of faith in the traditions of the Church Fathers.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
It's a strawman.
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
The story of Satan and God is a non reality. I grew up in Christianity and know Christian types who make real of all this. They made it real for me as a child into my fifties. There's nothing productive that can be learned from this fictional myth. The conclusions that this story is real is not healthy and distorts people's views on actuality. I've been forced to contend with this story for far too long. People make reality out of it where none exists.
Satan is the worst character ever invented. God and the characters in the Bible make no consistent rational sense.
This story propagates because of psychological pressure, and fear. There's no need for it. When you grow up in a place dominated by delusions it's hard to step out of the conformity and investigate things for yourself.
Satan is the worst character ever invented. God and the characters in the Bible make no consistent rational sense.
This story propagates because of psychological pressure, and fear. There's no need for it. When you grow up in a place dominated by delusions it's hard to step out of the conformity and investigate things for yourself.
Ebionite
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Not from the perspective of Pauline Christianity, anyway. Satan is a title that means adversary, but Christianity interpreted that as if it were a personification of evil.
Yet you repeated Pascal's Wager, which is intended to terrorize and cause existential angst in those who succumb to it. It's not credible that you don't care about others joining you in your gamble that you have the right god if you were willing to do that to them. Of course you care. You just understand that your argument is inefficacious, and so now we get sour grapes.
Contrariwise, I *DO* care about *YOUR* salvation, which is why I explained that your wager is on a god that can be ruled out and therefore CANNOT be a winning bet whatever is actually the case about afterlives if any. Pick something else, something with a non-zero chance of being correct. Nobody is being judged by the rules in the Abrahamic books if that god doesn't exist. Nobody is meeting Jesus unless as just another formerly living individual that is now in an afterlife like you and me if that's what we discover is the case following death.
On the off chance we find ourselves being judged in the afterlife by judges who are offended at those who ignored the senses they were gifted with at birth to discover what is true and what is good - reason and conscience - and opted for an invisible god that allegedly wants man to suspend critical thought and believe by faith, well, if that happens, I'll put in a good word for you. Maybe that will save you if you need saving at that point.
Don't worry. That probably won't happen. It's only slightly more likely than what you believe.
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Ebionite
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No, there are consequences for ignorance.
ppp
Well-Known Member
The reports are simply the claims you are repeating.Research the reports on some of the claims yourself.
Thats what i like about some religion. Threats based on nothing but wishful thinking and deliberate ignorance.
If you are wrong you don't go to heaven, how disappointing you spent your whole life dreaming of the idea an voila nothing but rotting in the ground to become reused by life of the future.