What is nonbinary?

[Madmogwai]

And by "truth" you mean "your personal feelings on this issue".


Cool. Equating LGBT people to paedophiles.

Weird how you have to resort to that in order to make an argument, but yet you cry the moment someone asks you basic questions.

Gender surgery, trans shows for kids, both have full support of the perverse LGBT Community un

 

[VoidCat]

There are no non binary people

What is this? Oh im fading into oblivion im disappearing since im apparently not real...

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Gender surgery, trans shows for kids, both have full support of the perverse LGBT Community un

And these things are bad, according to you, for some reason.

Fortunately, most people disagree with you and also believe in ideas like "freedom" and "equality" which you clearly don't. It's all cool. There is room for you in the world we want to create. We will gladly continue to make the world better, around and in spite of you, and you are welcome to not participate.

Just leave room in your driveway for the gay pride floats. Those things are going to be EVERYWHERE.

 

[Madmogwai]

We can and have. We had a big meeting and everything. You should have been there; you would have loved it.


And what they are is what you think they are, right?


Absolutely, yes.

What they are is what they are, nothing to do with me.
And they cannot expect us to call them what they think they are rather then what they actually are.
I will not go along with their delusions

 

[Madmogwai]

And these things are bad, according to you, for some reason.

Fortunately, most people disagree with you and also believe in ideas like "freedom" and "equality" which you clearly don't. It's all cool. There is room for you in the world we want to create. We will gladly continue to make the world better, around and in spite of you, and you are welcome to not participate.

Just leave room in your driveway for the gay pride floats. Those things are going to be EVERYWHERE.

So you support sexualised shows for children.
You will find your community is the minority and most normal people are disgusted by this pedophile behaviour.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

What they are is what they are, nothing to do with me.

I agree! It is nothing to do with you. I am glad we agree.

And they cannot expect us to call them what they think they are rather then what they actually are.

Cool. So I guess this is a two-way street, then? People can call you whatever they want as well?

I will not go along with their delusions

I am sorry that you disagree with science and medicine and think facts are delusions.

But, like I said, there is room for you in the world. Feel free to take up your space in it.

We love 'ya.

 

[VoidCat]

Alright I'm now able to type a more detailed answer. Ok so I've known since I was 7 I wasn't a girl. I also knew i wasn't a boy. Neither felt right. And I was confused as to why everyone insisted I was a girl. My gender identity is complex and i find explaining it to people who aren't nonbinary typically get even more confused and dont get it. My identity is masculine but i feel no connection to being a boy. It also is sometimes femme but i feel no connection to being a woman. My body I do get gender dysphoria from so I plan on going on testeorone to fix that. But still im not a man. It makes me happier being perceived as neither but as a mix of masc and femme and I feel more connected to nonbinary as an identity. There's also a spiritual aspect to my gender identity being nonbinary to me is a gift from the gods, and I do do rituals involving gender bending getting in touch with the Divine Feminine and Divine Masculine within. Does this help at all? I never can explain it well enough folk understand.

 

[Madmogwai]

What is this? Oh im fading into oblivion im disappearing since im apparently not real...

If your non binary why is he/him one of your pronouns.
How screwed up is a person that is so deluded as to believe you have no gender.

I agree! It is nothing to do with you. I am glad we agree.


Cool. So I guess this is a two-way street, then? People can call you whatever they want as well?


I am sorry that you disagree with science and medicine and think facts are delusions.

But, like I said, there is room for you in the world. Feel free to take up your space in it.

We love 'ya.

people don't call me whatever they want, and I don't tell them what to call me, they call me what I am.
Only your community demands to be called anything, and do you ever wonder why you have to advertise your pronouns, it's because they don't match your biology.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

So you support sexualised shows for children.

You think "trans shows for kids" are sexualized?

I am assuming you mean drag queen story time, not "trans shows for kids". Maybe I should take you to one. Then you would probably feel better about it.

Seriously, most of the time they wear more clothes than you or I do.

You will find your community is the minority and most normal people are disgusted by this pedophile behaviour.

Cool. Good to know. I hate paedophiles too, which is why I support things that protect children.

Funny how the people pushing to reduce the age of consent, block sex education and defend paedophile priests and the institutions that protect them tend to agree with your positions on this issue, though.

But, hey, if you want to prevent kids being sexually assaulted, welcome to the club. Maybe seek better company.

 

[Madmogwai]

Alright I'm now able to type a more detailed answer. Ok so I've known since I was 7 I wasn't a girl. I also knew i wasn't a boy. Neither felt right. And I was confused as to why everyone insisted I was a girl. My gender identity is complex and i find explaining it to people who aren't nonbinary typically get even more confused and dont get it. My identity is masculine but i feel no connection to being a boy. It also is sometimes femme but i feel no connection to being a woman. My body I do get gender dysphoria from so I plan on going on testeorone to fix that. But still im not a man. It makes me happier being perceived as neither but as a mix of masc and femme and I feel more connected to nonbinary as an identity. There's also a spiritual aspect to my gender identity being nonbinary to me is a gift from the gods, and I do do rituals involving gender bending getting in touch with the Divine Feminine and Divine Masculine within. Does this help at all? I never can explain it well enough folk understand.

No, you don't know, you think you are non binary but it does not exist outside of your mind.

 

[VoidCat]

. I assume there's logic to it, but its locked behind the gate of personal experience and perception.

This is what ive gathered. It's hard for me for instance to grasp how anyone can identify as a man or woman and feel a connection to either.

 

[VoidCat]

No, you don't know, you think you are non binary but it does not exist outside of your mind.

Lol have fun

 

[Madmogwai]

You think "trans shows for kids" are specialized?

I am assuming you mean drag queen story time, not "trans shows for kids". Maybe I should take you to one. Then you would probably feel better about it.

Seriously, most of the time they wear more clothes than you or I do.


Cool. Good to know. I hate paedophiles too, which is why I support things that protect children.

Funny how the people pushing to reduce the age of consent, block sex education and defend paedophile priests and the institutions that protect them tend to agree with your positions on this issue, though.

But, hey, if you want to prevent kids being sexually assaulted, welcome to the club. Maybe seek better company.

And what company do I keep, tell me

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Its going to come to a point where male and female, man and woman... Are meaningless.

Or just that they'll mean different things than how you understand the terms now.

A male(sex) can identify as a woman(gender) and live as a female(sex) and vice-versa

And with male and female, man and woman.....
I can't see how someone can feel like none of the above.

And I can't understand how someone can like bananas. This doesn't stop me from acknowledging that some people do.

Our genes are around 91% similar to cats.
If a teen says I identify as a cat , everyone says that BS, its impossible, etc etc.

But yet a male can identify as a woman and a female as a man

Its all confusing

As a starting point, try thinking about what the foundation of your current views on gender identity are.

Sex isn't gender, but one thing that helped me broaden my understanding on the issues of sex and gender generally was to recognize that intersex people are as common as redheads. If our view of gender is based on this idea that gender is a clear binary that perfectly corresponds to a clear sex binary, well... it's settled biology that there really isn't a clear, inviolable sex binary, so the whole paradigm is based on false ideas.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

people don't call me whatever they want, and I don't tell them what to call me, they call me what I am.

So, you would have no issue whatsoever if I referred to you as the gender other than the one you identify as?

Only your community demands to be called anything,

Nope. Everyone does. Everyone expects to be called certain things.

and do you ever wonder why you have to advertise your pronouns, it's because they don't match your biology.

Except when they do, in the case of cis people. Do you not understand how pronouns work?

 

[VoidCat]

If your non binary why is he/him one of your pronouns

I'd answer this if it was in good faith but it's not

 

[Madmogwai]

So, you would have no issue whatsoever if I referred to you as the gender other than the one you identify as?


Nope. Everyone does. Everyone expects to be called certain things.


Except when they do, in the case of cis people. Do you not understand how pronouns work?

I have never been called a woman because I don't suffer from the delusion and dress like one

 

[ImmortalFlame]

And what company do I keep, tell me

People who seem really invested in things that make children more at risk from sexual abuse, like blocking sex education, reducing legal consent age, and protecting institutions and individuals responsible for mass abuses.

I am sure you hate these things, too, like me. So I assume you and I can agree.

 

[Madmogwai]

Or just that they'll mean different things than how you understand the terms now.



And I can't understand how someone can like bananas. This doesn't stop me from acknowledging that some people do.


As a starting point, try thinking about what the foundation of your current views on gender identity are.

Sex isn't gender, but one thing that helped me broaden my understanding on the issues of sex and gender generally was to recognize that intersex people are as common as redheads. If our view of gender is based on this idea that gender is a clear binary that perfectly corresponds to a clear sex binary, well... it's settled biology that there really isn't a clear, inviolable sex binary, so the whole paradigm is based on false ideas.

 

[We Never Know]

Alright I'm now able to type a more detailed answer. Ok so I've known since I was 7 I wasn't a girl. I also knew i wasn't a boy. Neither felt right. And I was confused as to why everyone insisted I was a girl. My gender identity is complex and i find explaining it to people who aren't nonbinary typically get even more confused and dont get it. My identity is masculine but i feel no connection to being a boy. It also is sometimes femme but i feel no connection to being a woman. My body I do get gender dysphoria from so I plan on going on testeorone to fix that. But still im not a man. It makes me happier being perceived as neither but as a mix of masc and femme and I feel more connected to nonbinary as an identity. There's also a spiritual aspect to my gender identity being nonbinary to me is a gift from the gods, and I do do rituals involving gender bending getting in touch with the Divine Feminine and Divine Masculine within. Does this help at all? I never can explain it well enough folk understand.

"My identity is masculine but i feel no connection to being a boy"

My question is.. Then why go on testosterone