Subduction Zone
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Man has control over his actions. Well, most men do. Our actions are causing warming at a dangerous rate.
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Climate Change Performance Index 2023 Released
- Thread starter Heyo
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By that logic we should not stop any bad thing from happening as all is natural correct...nuclear wars, terrorism, rape, holocaust. All are natural actions by natural man?
Yup, fossil fuel stations too. Missed them out of my previous post
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Who among mankind should dictate to the rest of mankind, that is my question, kings, presidents, NGOs, religions, politicians? If they don't have the power to actually dictate, then it's all vanity.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That is the job of governments. If a person kills someone else the government metes out justice. If someone dumps a bunch of crap on someone's yard the victim does not get to shoot his neighbor's dog in revenge. He goes to the government for justice.
Heyo
Veteran Member
Rank 1 to 3 are left open to indicate that no-one is doing enough. I find that a bit confusing.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
But there is no crime wrt climate change, it is nature. Is it the job of governments to stop earthquakes, cold weather, tornadoes, etc.?
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
Climate change is currently being caused by La Nina which is a very large pool of "cool" ocean water that forms in the equatorial Pacific Ocean, even as the earth warms.
From Wikipedia;
La Niña (/lə ˈnin.jə/; Spanish: [la ˈniɲa]) is an oceanic and atmospheric phenomenon that is the colder counterpart of El Niño, as part of the broader El Niño–Southern Oscillation (ENSO) climate pattern. The name La Niña originates from Spanish for "the girl", by analogy to El Niño, meaning "the boy". In the past, it was also called an anti-El Niño[1] and El Viejo, meaning "the old man."[2]
During a La Niña period, the sea surface temperature across the eastern equatorial part of the central Pacific Ocean will be lower than normal by 3–5 °C (5.4–9 °F). An appearance of La Niña often persists for longer than five months. El Niño and La Niña can be indicators of weather changes across the globe. Atlantic and Pacific hurricanes can have different characteristics due to lower or higher wind shear and cooler or warmer sea surface temperatures.
The climate cult needs to do some research and not just trust a consensus of casino science. Consensus is about opinion and not settled science. Consensus is more about politics than science. The lack of hurricanes in the Atlantic ocean, this year, was due to La Niña and not coal. La Niña hag a huge global impact that befuddled the doom and gloom predictors. The cult needs to ask questions like how can a large pool of cool ocean water, sufficient to impact global weather, form as the earth is warming?
One theory is this cool water comes from deep in the ocean. Colder deep ocean water pushes up to the surface, due to geological disturbances deep down. If these geological disturbances are due to heat from the mantle, we can get surface cooling; upwelling of cold water, and longer term ocean heating at the same time, all without human intervention. Heating the ocean from below will also cause CO2 concentration to increase in the atmosphere, since CO2 is less soluble in warmer ocean water. This part of the natural earth balance connected to the movement of the crust.
The climate models are cute, but they do not due justice to the impact of water, on global climate. Water exists in three phases on the earth's surface, all at the same time; ; solid, liquid and gas or snow/ice, water, and water vapor/clouds. Greenhouse gases only exist as gases. They are a one trick pony. Water has many more tricks that all occur together; three phases or three trick pony.
In the case of La Nina, tweaks in the liquid phase of water; oceans, can impact global climate and weather. The polar caps are the solid phase of water and this phase will reflect the sun. While the clouds that cause rain and snow are part of the gas phase of water. These are all connected, with water in any of its three phases, having much more thermal mass, than all the traces gases that make up the manmade claims.
This surface analysis for water, does not even take into account the more exotic phases of water that exist at the extreme conditions of pressure and temperature found inside the earth; below the crust. For example, an equilibrium between super critical water; hydrothermal, and super ionic water; at the phase boundary of the mantle/crust interface, assists the movement of the crust on top of the mantle. Both phases will solubilize crust materials, with the super ionic phase much more aggressive. During subduction of crustal material the super ionic phase dissolves extra crustal material into the mantle, while a phase shift to back to super critical, makes new crust for things like La Niña upwellings; super critical to liquid phase transitions.
Theoretically, based on experiments of these and other exotic and extreme phases of water, water, in various phases, should be present all the way to the earth's core, with metallic water forming at core conditions. Is anyone aware the core of the earth rotates faster than the surface crust? This means another water phase boundary; ionic to metallic water.
The iron in the earth's core is electron rich. Iron can be oxidized to Fe+2 and Fe+3. The metallic iron sets an electro-chemical potential with the atmospheric oxygen, which is connected by the continuity of water phases from the atmosphere to the core. Water of many phases, using only oxygen and hydrogen in unique arrangements, are rusting the iron core and extracting electrons, energy and heat. The oceans are slightly negative in charge due to the electron flow, while the atmosphere is slightly positive due to water vapor and the high electronegativity of oxygen.
Plants via photosynthesis make atmospheric oxygen. This has increased the potential to the core's iron electrons, over the past billion years, with CO2 the plant food needed to expand on this. In essence, the sun is driving our earth dynamics via the continuity of water; rain to plants to core.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Clearly false as the research has consistently shown in recent decades.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, calling it "casino science" is your way of avoiding the reality. Notice this is not a question.
Heyo
Veteran Member
52. Australia (even worse than the US)
Are you the reason?
Heyo
Veteran Member
Who is doing research now? And why are those who do research are all saying the same while those who just criticise the research are all over the place?
So there should be no laws, no enforcements. People are free to rob, rape, kill as all is in nature.
Got it
Current climate change is due to human activities alone. So yes,it is upto human society to stop it...like murders, robberies etc.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
There has been no research that shows climate change is caused only by human activity, that being so, there will always be climate change regardless.
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
I do flatulate!
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
By that logic, a consumer of coal based electrical power is on par with a robber, rapist, and murderer. C'mon!
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
That is just so silly and unscientific, one has to wonder. Climate will always change due to many other factors other than human contributions.
Heyo
Veteran Member
There are two possibilities why you keep repeating that 1. you have some follow up to the "right answer" or 2. you are trolling.
Yes, climate will always change, with or without human contribution. But that is not under discussion here. The question is how we can limit our influence on the climate - and how some countries are contributing to the answer.