Is Jesus God?

[Soapy]

God's Spirit is God so that means God is there in the receiver which is exactly what Jesus said in John 14.

Ah, you mean like: ‘The word was God and was with God’?

So the spirit of God is the power of God doing what God wills it to do?

Good, good! Now we are getting somewhere because this means that when Jesus was filled with the spirit of God it was the spirit of God that enabled Jesus to perform the miracles that he did!!

Excellent. Jesus is thus the vessel that received the spirit of God at his anointing. The spirit enabled Jesus to do miracles…. Great! I think that’s what I’ve been saying to you and many others all this time.

And, when the apostles received ‘power from on high’, they too performed great miracles to the wonderment, amazement, jealousy, and envy of others around them who didn’t receive the spirit of God.

Thank you for finally understanding the truth!

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I believe I am not surprised. A person without the Holy Spirit has very little chance at all of recognizing voices.

And attacking the person gives one a good excuse to not have to provide a logical, sensible, answer.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Wow! And therefore, in your belief, Pharoah was almighty God wherein ALMIGHTY GOD said of him:

• For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” (Romans 9:17 from Exodus 9:16)

And Moses is almighty God:

• “Then the LORD said to Moses, “See, I have made you as God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet.”

Every ‘True God’ has a prophet through whom the ‘true God’ SENDS and EMPOWERS to carry out His commands.

In the case of YHWH, the final prophet is Jesus Christ - empowered by YHWH’s spirit.

A prophet is not GOD who sent him - Jesus is not YHWH who sent him:

• “Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”” (John 6:29)

Was Pharaoh or Moses ever said to have all authority?... nope.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

And Moses is almighty God:

• “Then the LORD said to Moses, “See, I have made you as God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet.”

Just because Pharaoh thought of Moses as being a god doesn't mean that Moses was actually a god.

 

[Soapy]

Was Pharaoh or Moses ever said to have all authority?... nope.

No one said that. You just made up something ridiculous and then made a denial of the claim…

In any case, Pharoah WAS the all authority in Egypt at the time we are discussing. That’s what PHAROAH means: RULER (of Egypt).

Of course, like I said, every ‘All authority’ is CONTEXTUAL. The God of all Gods is the only one who is not contextual - HE IS ABSOLUTELY over ALL WHOM ARE CALLED GODS.

 

[Soapy]

Just because Pharaoh thought of Moses as being a god doesn't mean that Moses was actually a god.

Er, I think the exact wording is ‘you are to be AS GOD to Moses.’. So no, Moses was not THE ALMIGHTY GOD.,. And that is the problem, the definition of the term ‘God’… it just means ‘RULER’ by context.

‘God’ is not a name of a person any more than ‘Pharoah’ is… they are TITLES of persons in the position of rulership in a contextual situation:

• A judge is GOD … in his courtroom
• A Father is GOD … in his home
• A Principal is GOD … in his school

But I sense you are just playing devils advocate. Not serious - just having a laugh!! Tuh!!

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Er, I think the exact wording is ‘you are to be AS GOD to Moses.’. So no, Moses was not THE ALMIGHTY GOD.,. And that is the problem, the definition of the term ‘God’… it just means ‘RULER’ by context.

‘God’ is not a name of a person any more than ‘Pharoah’ is… they are TITLES of persons in the position of rulership in a contextual situation:

• A judge is GOD … in his courtroom
• A Father is GOD … in his home
• A Principal is GOD … in his school

But I sense you are just playing devils advocate. Not serious - just having a laugh!! Tuh!!

yes. "as a god." meaning that Pharaoh would see Moses as a god. NOT that Moses was a god. Otherwise it would say "You are a god," not "you will be as a god."

 

[Soapy]

yes. "as a god." meaning that Pharaoh would see Moses as a god. NOT that Moses was a god. Otherwise it would say "You are a god," not "you will be as a god."

Yes, ‘As God’ is not ‘Is God’.

‘God’ is a TITLE. Pharoah, too, is ‘AS A GOD’ … to his people:

He RULES… (context: over EGYPT)
and is the MOST POWERFUL, he is Almighty… (context: to the Egyptians)
He is the JUDGE (context: in the realm of his country - Egypt)

And, so when applied to John 1:1 all becomes clear: ‘God’ is used as both a TITLE of the deity of the Jews AND as it’s Adjective (and Superlative, at that) meaning:

• The word spoken by The God of the Jews was ‘God’ (ALMIGHTY, a RULING word, all powerful): ‘Let there be light’!!

 

[Wildswanderer]

No one said that. You just made up something ridiculous and then made a denial of the claim…

In any case, Pharoah WAS the all authority in Egypt at the time we are discussing. That’s what PHAROAH means: RULER (of Egypt).

Of course, like I said, every ‘All authority’ is CONTEXTUAL. The God of all Gods is the only one who is not contextual - HE IS ABSOLUTELY over ALL WHOM ARE CALLED GODS.

No, all authority cannot simply mean ruler of a nation. You try to dance around the obvious because it doesn't fit your false doctrine.
Yes, God of all gods is what Jesus is. Praise his Holy name!

 

[Soapy]

No, all authority cannot simply mean ruler of a nation. You try to dance around the obvious because it doesn't fit your false doctrine.
Yes, God of all gods is what Jesus is. Praise his Holy name!

What do you say the name of Jesus is?

((‘At the name of Jesus all knees will bow!”
Bowing is not worship - else all peoples are blaspheming since we all bow to great dignitaries of humanity))

 

[Wildswanderer]

What do you say the name of Jesus is?

((‘At the name of Jesus all knees will bow!”
Bowing is not worship - else all peoples are blaspheming since we all bow to great dignitaries of humanity))

And every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord. Yeshua HaMashiach (Messiah).
Jesus Christ is Yeshua HaMashiach... Anointed Salvation. In Hebrew, His name looks like this: ישוע המשיח.

 

[Soapy]

And every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord. Yeshua HaMashiach (Messiah).
Jesus Christ is Yeshua HaMashiach... Anointed Salvation. In Hebrew, His name looks like this: ישוע המשיח.

Yes, at the end of time, after Jesus Christ has fulfilled all the prophesies and sat down on the throne of his ancestor, David, all humanity will acknowledge that he, Jesus Christ, is Lord. All will acknowledge what he said to the apostles:

• “For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.” (John 6:40)
  
• “Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” (John 17:3)

All should notice that jesus never says anything that might point to the idea of a trinity in the trinitarian sense but here is a trinity that no trinitarian ever talks about:

• “When I am raised to life again, you will know that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.” (John 14:20)

 

[Wildswanderer]

Yes, at the end of time, after Jesus Christ has fulfilled all the prophesies and sat down on the throne of his ancestor, David, all humanity will acknowledge that he, Jesus Christ, is Lord. All will acknowledge what he said to the apostles:

• “For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.” (John 6:40)
  
• “Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” (John 17:3)

All should notice that jesus never says anything that might point to the idea of a trinity in the trinitarian sense but here is a trinity that no trinitarian ever talks about:

• “When I am raised to life again, you will know that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.” (John 14:20)

Why would a trinitarian not love that verse? I don't see any trinitarian having any problem whatsoever with it.

 

[Muffled]

Ah, you mean like: ‘The word was God and was with God’?

So the spirit of God is the power of God doing what God wills it to do?

Good, good! Now we are getting somewhere because this means that when Jesus was filled with the spirit of God it was the spirit of God that enabled Jesus to perform the miracles that he did!!

Excellent. Jesus is thus the vessel that received the spirit of God at his anointing. The spirit enabled Jesus to do miracles…. Great! I think that’s what I’ve been saying to you and many others all this time.

And, when the apostles received ‘power from on high’, they too performed great miracles to the wonderment, amazement, jealousy, and envy of others around them who didn’t receive the spirit of God.

Thank you for finally understanding the truth!

I believe that is false. God is much more than power. He is love, goodness, intelligent, just and merciful as well. These are all attributes of God as is power

I believe that is false there is no indication that Jesus received the spirit of God at His baptism which is not an anointing. He was indwelled by God at conception as Luke reported.

I believe all believers partake of God when the Paraclete is accepted as Jesus and the Father. However how much God can do in a person depends on how much the person believes and God's plan for that person.

I believe I always understand the truth because the Holy Spirit guides me.

 

[Muffled]

And attacking the person gives one a good excuse to not have to provide a logical, sensible, answer.

I believe I always give logical sensible answers.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I believe I always give logical sensible answers.

You said, "A person without the Holy Spirit has very little chance at all of recognizing voices." That is not an argument. That is a personal attack, and therefore fallacious in terms of logic.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

The POWER of God resides in Jesus and in true believers. The POWER of God is GOD’s holy Spirit and that is why those who are blessed with the power of God must humble themselves - even unto death - in the dissemination of that power and usd it only such that it glorifies GOD, who gave it to them!

The Holy Spirit is God!
God is a Spirit. John 4:24 and God is holy. 1 Peter 1:16

Why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Spirit...? Acts 5:3
Thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. Acts 5:4

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Is Jesus God?

Who told you, please?
Jesus never claimed to be Almighty-God, did he, please?
If yes, then kindly quote for the claim and the reason given from (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah. Right?
Why should Jesus have made such a silly claim when the Jewish people were not waiting for a Messiah-god, never, as I understand, please? Right?

Regards

He was claiming to be God when he said things like the following:

If you have seen me you have seen the Father. John 14:8-9
Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up. John 2:19
I and my Father are one. John 10:30-33 (That's why they took up stones to try to stone him.)
When he said he was before Abraham. John 8:56-59 (Once again they took up stones to stone him.)
When he said he was the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Revelation 1:8 and Revelation 22:13 vs Isaiah 44:6
When he said unless you believe I am he you shall die in your sins. John 8:24 vs. Isaiah 41:4 and Isaiah 43:13

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Was Jesus sent by God?

Who sent the Comforter? (which is the Holy Spirit) John 14:26 says the Father will send the Holy Spirit. While in John 15:26 the Son says I will send the Comforter.

No problem - After all he said I and my Father are one, and if you have seen me you have seen the Father.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

No, it is a simple matter of you stating two opposites. Saying God came in the flesh is simply a way of saying that he became a man. You cannot say that God is not a man and say that he became a man at the same time. It is a contradiction, mutually exclusive.

God didn't become a man. The Spirit of God made himself a body to dwell in and sacrifice for our sins. God was dwelling in that body.