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Five Solas

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mikkel_the_dane said:
Yeah, I do understand how you think that. But I can't see it as see. I can understand because I accept that you do it differently. But you do that differently, because you think differently.
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Hooray!! I agree.

God made me a different being. Jesus called that being born again.
 
joelr

joelr

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mikkel_the_dane said:
No, you haven't meet the burden of proof. That is all. I.e. I need evidence, because I want evidence that meets the burden of proof.

So again, evidence to the effect that the world is physical, and not just you claiming it.
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No you got it. The world has been proven physical to the standards of science. Your standards, don't care.
 
muhammad_isa

muhammad_isa

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Aupmanyav said:
Whatever Jesus may have said, not many politicians are poor..
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I am not advocating that politicians should be poor.

Aupmanyav said:
And what is wrong with a rich government head who fulfills his duties adequately..
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Well that is the problem..
Can they be seen to "fulfill their duty adequately" ?
A few might, but Trump is a case in point.

Aupmanyav said:
* Latest on Narendra Modi's assets: USD 269,243.28.
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He is still quite popular in India, as I understand.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
joelr said:
Yet still, my answer stands. Please stop nagging/whining about personal issues. Man-up, deal with it.
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How personal of you to ask me to man-up and deal with it. Now give objective physical evidence of that. You are as subjective and personal as all other humans including me. You are not special and neither am I. I am just honest about the limitations in my worldview.

Where it appears you don't understand the limitations as to science.
 
joelr

joelr

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Five Solas said:
Your mind is infected with original sin.
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Boy you will believe anything. Even some dude from the 3rd century?


Original sin is the Christian doctrine that holds that humans, through the fact of birth

The belief began to emerge in the 3rd century, but only became fully formed with the writings of Augustine of Hippo (354–430), who was the first author to use the phrase "original sin" (Latin: peccatum originale).[2][3] Influenced by Augustine, the councils of Carthage (411–418 CE) and Orange (529 CE) brought theological speculation about original sin into the official lexicon of the Church.[4]



Judaism does not see human nature as irrevocably tainted by some sort of original sin,[9] while for the Apostle Paul Adam's act released a power into the world by which sin and death became the natural lot of mankind.[10] Early Christianity had no specific doctrine of original sin prior to the 4th century

Justin Martyr, a 2nd-century Christian apologist and philosopher, was the first Christian author to discuss the story of Adam's fall after Paul. In Justin's writings, there is no conception of original sin and the fault of sin lies at the hands of the individual who committed it.


Augustine of Hippo (354–430) taught that Adam's sin is transmitted by concupiscence, or "hurtful desire",[38][39] resulting in humanity becoming a massa damnata (mass of perdition, condemned crowd), with much enfeebled, though not destroyed, freedom of will.[3] When Adam sinned, human nature was thenceforth transformed. Adam and Eve, via sexual reproduction, recreated human nature. Their descendants now live in sin, in the form of concupiscence, a term Augustine used in a metaphysical, not a psychological sense.[


Wow, a major doctrine of the church was from a guy in the 3rd century. This stuff is so made up.

But it gets worse. Augustine thought the Bible was poor literature. He converted only after Milan taught him that scripture should be interpretted symbolically instead of literally.

So original sin is a metaphor, not literal. The inventor of it meant it that way. Other people, literalist fundamentalists took it literal and now it's a literal belief.
Wow.
 
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mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
joelr said:
Boy you will believe anything. Even some dude from the 3rd century?


Original sin is the Christian doctrine that holds that humans, through the fact of birth

The belief began to emerge in the 3rd century, but only became fully formed with the writings of Augustine of Hippo (354–430), who was the first author to use the phrase "original sin" (Latin: peccatum originale).[2][3] Influenced by Augustine, the councils of Carthage (411–418 CE) and Orange (529 CE) brought theological speculation about original sin into the official lexicon of the Church.[4]



Judaism does not see human nature as irrevocably tainted by some sort of original sin,[9] while for the Apostle Paul Adam's act released a power into the world by which sin and death became the natural lot of mankind.[10] Early Christianity had no specific doctrine of original sin prior to the 4th century

Justin Martyr, a 2nd-century Christian apologist and philosopher, was the first Christian author to discuss the story of Adam's fall after Paul. In Justin's writings, there is no conception of original sin and the fault of sin lies at the hands of the individual who committed it.


Augustine of Hippo (354–430) taught that Adam's sin is transmitted by concupiscence, or "hurtful desire",[38][39] resulting in humanity becoming a massa damnata (mass of perdition, condemned crowd), with much enfeebled, though not destroyed, freedom of will.[3] When Adam sinned, human nature was thenceforth transformed. Adam and Eve, via sexual reproduction, recreated human nature. Their descendants now live in sin, in the form of concupiscence, a term Augustine used in a metaphysical, not a psychological sense.[


Wow, a major doctrine of the church was from a guy in the 3rd century. This stuff is so made up.
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Wel, here is the short one. I behave differently than Five Solas. It is that simple.
 
joelr

joelr

Well-Known Member
mikkel_the_dane said:
How personal of you to ask me to man-up and deal with it. Now give objective physical evidence of that. You are as subjective and personal as all other humans including me. You are not special and neither am I. I am just honest about the limitations in my worldview.

Where it appears you don't understand the limitations as to science.
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How personal of you to bother me with whiny-ness and demand more when I am clearly done with this nonsense and do not care about what limitations you think on science.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
joelr said:
How personal of you to bother me with whiny-ness and demand more when I am clearly done with this nonsense and do not care about what limitations you think on science.
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And we are both personal. Still waiting the objective physical evidence.
Science has limits: A few things that science does not do - Understanding Science
Philosophy of science - Wikipedia
Cognitive Relativism | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy

So all of that is only about how I think and it is all written by me. Right! ;) :D
 
joelr

joelr

Well-Known Member
mikkel_the_dane said:
And we are both personal. Still waiting the objective physical evidence.
Science has limits: A few things that science does not do - Understanding Science
Philosophy of science - Wikipedia
Cognitive Relativism | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy

So all of that is only about how I think and it is all written by me. Right! ;) :D
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Yeah I read the conclusion. Just like I said. My evidence stands even stronger now.
and science can evaluate the supernatural. Scripture has God running around as one human, 2 humans, in a magic smoke chariot, in the temple, and more, and other deities doing physical miracles all over. So yes, these can be studied in many ways when the beings who were constantly on Earth decide to show up again.
Yahweh grew horns out of his hand and smashed a mountain, fought a sea monster, even his "loins" were seen. But of course the supernatural is "beyond nature". Not really, not in the religions they are in.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
joelr said:
Yeah I read the conclusion. Just like I said. My evidence stands even stronger now.
and science can evaluate the supernatural. Scripture has God running around as one human, 2 humans, in a magic smoke chariot, in the temple, and more, and other deities doing physical miracles all over. So yes, these can be studied in many ways when the beings who were constantly on Earth decide to show up again.
Yahweh grew horns out of his hand and smashed a mountain, fought a sea monster, even his "loins" were seen. But of course the supernatural is "beyond nature". Not really, not in the religions they are in.
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Yeah, we have different cognition. Now deal with that and man-up.
And give evidence that the world is natural.
 
joelr

joelr

Well-Known Member
mikkel_the_dane said:
Yeah, we have different cognition. Now deal with that and man-up.
And give evidence that the world is natural.
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No, my problem isn't different cognition, it's you continually whining for something I'm not interested in. I told you my answer stands. So if you cannot man up and accept that, block it is
 
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