Bahai without Muhammad, Sufism without Islam

[firedragon]

I was not referring to any specific writings of Baha'u'llah.
I was referring to the teaching of Baha'i that Mt Carmel is where God wants to spend eternity when the Bible tells us that Zion /Jerusalem is that place. (Psalm 132:13,14)

I was referring to the teachings of Baha'i that the word of God will go forth from Zion/Jerusalem, as referring to the Baha'i faith going forth from Mt Carmel. (Isa 2:1-5)

I was referring to the Baha'i teaching that Isa 35:1,2 says that Mt Carmel will see the glory of God when it says that the arid places will see the glory of God.

I was referring to various Baha'i writings I have seen which say that Baha'u'llah was saying Mt Carmel is the New Jerusalem.
I find it is hard to find specific quotes in the official Baha'i writings.

Okay Brian. Thank you very much for your clarification.

 

[Brian2]

Since you are a Christian person, does it really matter that other teachings say differently?

The fact that Baha'i misrepresents what the Bible says, changes it and denies it also, and then teaches that it believes it and tricks Christians and others to join the Baha'i religion,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, on the basis of lies, shows the fruits of Baha'u'llah. His fruits are bad and so he is a false prophet.
People need to be told about the lies but interestingly enough I have not found anyone who became a Baha'i to be much worried about the truth.

 

[Spirit of Light]

The fact that Baha'i misrepresents what the Bible says, changes it and denies it also, and then teaches that it believes it and tricks Christians and others to join the Baha'i religion,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, on the basis of lies, shows the fruits of Baha'u'llah. His fruits and bad and so he is a false prophet.
People need to be told about the lies but interestingly enough I have not found anyone who became a Baha'i to be much worried about the truth.

Oh

 

[Muffled]

I believe the concept of the B man was to combine Islam with Christianity. Whether he expanded that to other religions I am not familiar.

 

[Muffled]

A Baha'i embraces all the Messengers and Prophets, to which Muhammad is the seal of the Prophets. That is the message. It cannot be taken out of the Message.

Regards Tony

I believe it is less than an embrace and more like touch and go with a big dose of believing the B man.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I believe it is less than an embrace and more like touch and go with a big dose of believing the B man.

Are you afraid of saying Bahai'u'llah since you say the B man?

Maybe people of Baha'i faith has more respect toward other religions since as far as i know, no Baha'i would make"nicknames" of prophets or even what Christians call Jesus son of God.

 

[Muffled]

Hi Dharmacat!

Welcome and thank you for your questions.

I’m a Baha’i of about 45 years. I fell in love with the teachings and even tried to join this religion twice because at first I didn’t even believe in God. Lol

Maybe you can tell us what it is that concerns you about Muhammad.

Anyway, at first I knew nothing about other faiths except Christianity because I was born a catholic. But after maybe 20 years and reading what Baha’u’llah and Abdul-Baha said about Muhammad instead of the misinformation going around, I took an interest in it.

Then gradually, as my knowledge grew, I began to ‘like’ just a little, Krishna, Buddha, Muhammad etc. Then as I dug deeper I fell in love with all truth, with all the religions because Baha’u’llah teaches us they are all from God.

So it takes time. Now I adore the Quran and the Bhagavad Gita and all the Holy Books as they all teach us to be of virtuous and upright character. There’s a movie about Muhammad on YouTube. I think it’s called the Message.

Anyway, when I found out the real truth about all the faiths including Muhammad it so liberating to love all truth.

The Unitarian/Universalists believe basically the same thing without the baggage of B man philosophy. I don't believe they do much better at identifying the truth than the B man though.

 

[Muffled]

Are you afraid of saying Bahai'u'llah since you say the B man?

Maybe people of Baha'i faith has more respect toward other religions since as far as i know, no Baha'i would make"nicknames" of prophets or even what Christians call Jesus son of God.

I believe it is better to do it this way than to mess the name up.

I believe respect is earned. You must have read that Jesus called the Pharisees that sought to kill Him a brood of vipers.

 

[dybmh]

Are you afraid of saying Bahai'u'llah since you say the B man?

FYI: Ezekiel 13:8-10

"8 So now, the Lord God really will speak. He says, “You told lies. You saw visions that were not true. So now I am against you!” This is what the Lord God said.

9 “I will punish those prophets whose visions are false and who lie about the future. I will remove them from my people. Their names will not be in the list of the family of Israel. They will never again come to the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Lord God!

10 Again and again those false prophets lied to my people. They said there would be peace, but there is no peace."

 

[Spirit of Light]

FYI: Ezekiel 13:8-10

"8 So now, the Lord God really will speak. He says, “You told lies. You saw visions that were not true. So now I am against you!” This is what the Lord God said.

9 “I will punish those prophets whose visions are false and who lie about the future. I will remove them from my people. Their names will not be in the list of the family of Israel. They will never again come to the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Lord God!

10 Again and again those false prophets lied to my people. They said there would be peace, but there is no peace."

You are free to believe Bahai'u'llah was a false prophet.

 

[dybmh]

You are free to believe Bahai'u'llah was a false prophet.

There are valid reasons for this. It's not just a spiritual malady or a refusal to look at the claims and the evidence.

 

[Spirit of Light]

There are valid reasons for this. It's not just a spiritual malady or a refusal to look at the claims and the evidence.

I do my reasearch too, and i believe in Baha'i teaching

 

[dybmh]

I do my reasearch too, and i believe in Baha'i teaching

We'll, that's my point, the Baha'i teaching is that it's a spiritual fault not to recognize Baha'u'llah's station, isn't it? But it's not a fault for some of us. It's simply following a previous revelation.

 

[Spirit of Light]

We'll, that's my point, the Baha'i teaching is that it's a spiritual fault not to recognize Baha'u'llah's station, isn't it? But it's not a fault for some of us. It's simply following a previous revelation.

Bahai'u'llah was a lot more wise than me, i do not discreditt him nor do i disreditt other prophets or manifistation of God.

Other people can believe what they do.

 

[dybmh]

Bahai'u'llah was a lot more wise than me, i do not discreditt him nor do i disreditt other prophets or manifistation of God.

Other people can believe what they do.

Do you understand the point I'm trying to make? Not agree, just understand.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Do you understand the point I'm trying to make? Not agree, just understand.

That you trying to find faults in Bahai'u'llah and his teaching yes.

 

[dybmh]

That you trying to find faults in Bahai'u'llah and his teaching yes.

That wasn't the point I was trying to make. But I guess you're right. Sorry.

 

[Spirit of Light]

That wasn't the point I was trying to make. But I guess you're right. Sorry.

I just don't listen anymore.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Brainwashed to believe that Baha'u'llah is the return of Christ.
Brainwashed to believe that you can believe the New Testament to be the Word of God and still be a Baha'i.
Is Jesus your Lord or is it that Baha'is have nobody that they refer to as their Lord?
What does it mean that Jesus is you Saviour?

Thank you very much for your kind comments. It’s maybe very difficult to understand but I love Jesus with all my heart and soul and hope that if ever required, I would lay down my life and soul for Him.

And whatever He taught in the New Testament is engraved in my innermost being and to me Jesus is truth and life. To thank Him every second for a thousand ages and centuries would never come close to how grateful I am for being guided to the truth however lowly and unworthy I consider myself to be.

John 10:27

My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me.

Say, Lo! The Father is come, and that which ye were promised in the Kingdom is fulfilled! This is the Word which the Son concealed, when to those around Him He said: “Ye cannot bear it now.” And when the appointed time was fulfilled and the Hour had struck, the Word shone forth above the horizon of the Will of God. Beware, O followers of the Son, that ye cast it not behind your backs. Take ye fast hold of it. Better is this for you than all that ye possess. Verily He is nigh unto them that do good. The Hour which We had concealed from the knowledge of the peoples of the earth and of the favored angels hath come to pass. Say, verily, He hath testified of Me, and I do testify of Him. Indeed, He hath purposed no one other than Me. Unto this beareth witness every fair-minded and understanding soul.

Say: Blessed the slumberer who is awakened by My Breeze. Blessed the lifeless one who is quickened through My reviving breaths. Blessed the eye that is solaced by gazing at My beauty. (Baha’u’llah)

 

[TransmutingSoul]

FYI: Ezekiel 13:8-10

"8 So now, the Lord God really will speak. He says, “You told lies. You saw visions that were not true. So now I am against you!” This is what the Lord God said.

9 “I will punish those prophets whose visions are false and who lie about the future. I will remove them from my people. Their names will not be in the list of the family of Israel. They will never again come to the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Lord God!

10 Again and again those false prophets lied to my people. They said there would be peace, but there is no peace."

Yet those verses do not apply to bother the Bab and Baha'u'llah, who's remains remain in Akka and Haifa.

With the cooperation between the Jew the wonderful people of Israel and Baha'i, Peace of all Nations will be negotiated and found.

Regards Tony