Anti-choicers: this is the fruit of your labour

[Wildswanderer]

No one.

Trust me, no one is taking kids and trying to shove them back into the womb. That process alone would kill them. We don't do that.

Babies have been born five months premature and survived. But to you, those are just toads.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your argument doesn't hold water. I suppose when your wife got pregnant you never referred to your baby being inside of her?
He is a person, unless you don't want him then he conveniently becomes something else. A toad perhaps.

Intent makes a difference. You should be able to understand this. If I am writing a long post and show it to someone I will refer to it as "my post" even though it has not been posted yet. Rarely I will start a post and then decide it is better to remain silent. That post is "aborted". And I never even go to that point.

If you want to make an argument you need to use proper terminology. For a pregnant woman that needs an abortion it is simply not a baby yet, That is what she is trying to avoid.

 

[Wildswanderer]

It is a medical necessity and it wasn't allowed in Ohio. That's reality.

I see nothing about any medical necessity for the mother's survival in the article.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Babies have been born five months premature and survived. But to you, those are just toads.

No, not even close. I think that you may have your claims backwards. I think that 5 months along into a pregnancy that a preemie has survived. Once.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I see nothing about any medical necessity for the mother's survival in the article.

Oh dear. Someone lost his heart at some point.

 

[Wildswanderer]

For a pregnant woman that needs an abortion it is simply not a baby yet, That is what she is trying to avoid.

Thanks for finally being a bit honest. For her, because she doesn't want it to be, it can't be thought of as a human child. That's nothing to do with the reality of who he or she is.

 

[Wildswanderer]

No, not even close. I think that you may have your claims backwards. I think that 5 months along into a pregnancy that a preemie has survived. Once.

When Richard Scott William Hutchinson was born five months prematurely -

The world's most premature baby has celebrated his first birthday after beating 0% odds of surviving - CNN

 

[Wildswanderer]

Oh dear. Someone lost his heart at some point.

Did you? It seems like it.

 

[Heyo]

I see nothing about any medical necessity for the mother's survival in the article.

Why do you insist on pretending we don't have the medical knowledge to be able to determine whether this was an issue

You need an article to tell you that a ten year old is not mature enough to carry a foetus to term?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Thanks for finally being a bit honest. For her, because she doesn't want it to be, it can't be thought of as a human child. That's nothing to do with the reality of who he or she is.

It is also factually not a baby. It also not a baby according to the Bible. It is the intent that makes a fetus a "baby" for some.

 

[Heyo]

Oh dear. Someone lost his heart at some point.

Heart?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Did you? It seems like it.

No, I still have one. I am in favor of minimalizing the trauma of a ten year old that has already gone thought far too much. You appear to be trying to make it even worse.

 

[Wildswanderer]

You need an article to tell you that a ten year old is not mature enough to carry a foetus to term?

I already covered this. You made a false claim that it is as a medical necessity to kill the baby. Provide proof or retract the claim.

 

[Wildswanderer]

No, I still have one. I am in favor of minimalizing the trauma of a ten year old that has already gone thought far too much. You appear to be trying to make it even worse.

It's the other 60 million unborn children you can just ignore that bother me. What about their right to experience joy and love?

 

[Heyo]

I already covered this. You made a false claim that it is as a medical necessity to kill the baby. Provide proof or retract the claim.

In science we don't deal in proofs, but here is medical expertise:
Doctors Appalled By 10-Year-Old Giving Birth

 

[Subduction Zone]

When Richard Scott William Hutchinson was born five months prematurely -

The world's most premature baby has celebrated his first birthday after beating 0% odds of surviving - CNN

Four months. That is bad math on the part of CNN:

"Richard was born at a gestational age of 21 weeks 2 days, making him 131 days premature. The standard gestational period for a baby is 40 weeks."

And this was an extreme case.

So how about a reasonable compromise. No elective abortions after 21 weeks.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's the other 60 million unborn children you can just ignore that bother me. What about their right to experience joy and love?

Oh my!! Every period should be an "unborn child" by your poor definition. All it would have taken was a little bit of sperm and we know that only a tiny fraction of a percentage of sperm ever gets anywhere close to an unfertilized ovum. Clearly that should have been a child.

 

[ChristineM]

I addressed the possible medical issues already. You are not addressing anything I said.

Not to me you didn't and from your posts i believe you are completely ignoring them.

What have you said othere fundamentalist rhetoric?. Though you are ignoring all of my points

 

[Subduction Zone]

In science we don't deal in proofs, but here is medical expertise:
Doctors Appalled By 10-Year-Old Giving Birth

I am sorry, but that is just some horrific reading. I wonder if @Wildswanderer will take the time.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's not a religious issue. It's a moral issue.

It's both.
The problem I see is that for religious folk, they want
to impose their religious proscriptions upon others.
Trump, the anti-abortion crowd's leader, appointed
only Christian fundies to SCOTUS for a reason.
Nons have a broader view of various moral issues
surrounding pregnancy, birth, & bodily autonomy
in general.