"Police: Woman killed man who fired AR-15-style rifle into party crowd

[F1fan]

So tight gun laws fix everything?

You must not be feeling confident in your "let's do nothing" status quo attitude about gun safety. I made no such claim as this.

If Texas had the same age restriction for AR15 as it does handguns, 21 years old, can you acknowledge the 19 kids and 2 teachers would still alive in Uvalde?

But there's still guns coming into New York city and it's surrounded by places with background checks and stricter laws.

Yes, you could buy extra guns from your church friends, pack them in your trunk and drive to New York and sell them to some guys for a good profit. Are the buyers criminals? You aren't going to ask, are you? Plausible deniability.

Once you buy a gun from a dealer you can sell it to anyone else. You aren't a dealer. Who is going to keep track of these private sales to people unknown?

This illustrates why I suggest all private sales go through a dealer for a fee. Make sure the buyer can legally own a gun.

 

[danieldemol]

Why is it better to die by not a gun than a gun?

Its not, death is death.

But please consider the following.
1. Mass shooters with high capacity rounds could be eliminated. Sure most gun deaths are not mass shootings, but though the percentage of gun deaths due to mass shooters is low, as an actual number of deaths that could be eliminated it is substantial. 211 people were killed in mass shootings in 2019.

2. Knife violence which is probably the main substitute for gun violence brings the attacker within hand to hand combat range. This makes it safer for police to respond as they can shoot the attacker from outside the range of the knife attack. Do you believe blue lives matter? If not what about the children killed due to slower police response times?

In my opinion.

 

[danieldemol]

Gun Ownership by Country 2022
Murder Rate by Country 2022

Your second link states;
'The report explains that many socioeconomic factors can drive homicide rates. These factors include gender stereotypes, social inequality, unemployment, political instability, firearms possession (just over half of all homicides are committed via firearms)... and especially gangs, organized crime, and the drug trade'

In my opinion.

 

[Wildswanderer]

This illustrates why I suggest all private sales go through a dealer for a fee. Make sure the buyer can legally own a gun.

You can't be that naive. Suddenly because that's the rule, which BTW, it is already is in effect in many states, everyone is good to follow it? You think you are going to change criminal behavior by making another law?

 

[Wildswanderer]

Yes, you could buy extra guns from your church friends, pack them in your trunk and drive to New York and sell them to some guys for a good profit.

Not legally.

 

[metis]

They don't have a gang culture, would be my first guess.

So, why are you guessing? Why won't you face the reality of numerous studies?

 

[stvdv]

Why is it better to die by not a gun than a gun?

IF I am in a lot of pain THEN a bullet can be grace.

IF the bullet damages internal organs leaving me in a vegetative state THEN the same bullet is torture

 

[Truth in love]

Your second link states;
'The report explains that many socioeconomic factors can drive homicide rates. These factors include gender stereotypes, social inequality, unemployment, political instability, firearms possession (just over half of all homicides are committed via firearms)... and especially gangs, organized crime, and the drug trade'

In my opinion.

Did you bother to run the stats which show a slight decrease in murder rates as gun ownership increases?

 

[Truth in love]

Its not, death is death.

But please consider the following.
1. Mass shooters with high capacity rounds could be eliminated. Sure most gun deaths are not mass shootings, but though the percentage of gun deaths due to mass shooters is low, as an actual number of deaths that could be eliminated it is substantial. 211 people were killed in mass shootings in 2019.

2. Knife violence which is probably the main substitute for gun violence brings the attacker within hand to hand combat range. This makes it safer for police to respond as they can shoot the attacker from outside the range of the knife attack. Do you believe blue lives matter? If not what about the children killed due to slower police response times?

In my opinion.

Blue lives do matter as do all other lives.
Let me ask you what is your plan for the many many weapons now held that would not fit your concept of safe weapons?

 

[F1fan]

You can't be that naive. Suddenly because that's the rule, which BTW, it is already is in effect in many states, everyone is good to follow it? You think you are going to change criminal behavior by making another law?

If the far right, which you seem to be part of, keeps insisting lawful gun owners follow the law, then yes, this right wing claim should result in change. If your side has lied, and too many gun owners aren't law abiding, then I guess we won't see a change. Should we trust your side to be truthful and honest? You seem to be saying we cannot can't truth you, and that your right wing is not honest.

You tell us, will law abiding gun owners follow new laws that govern the sale and transfer of guns privately owned?

If you say no, then perhaps a gun ban will be necessary.

As it is you seemed resigned to more mass murders and ongoing gun violence that is the highest of all first world nations. So you offer no solutions? We can't do anything?

 

[Truth in love]

If the far right, which you seem to be part of, keeps insisting lawful gun owners follow the law, then yes, this right wing claim should result in change. If your side has lied, and too many gun owners aren't law abiding, then I guess we won't see a change. Should we trust your side to be truthful and honest? You seem to be saying we cannot can't truth you, and that your right wing is not honest.

You tell us, will law abiding gun owners follow new laws that govern the sale and transfer of guns privately owned?

If you say no, then perhaps a gun ban will be necessary.

As it is you seemed resigned to more mass murders and ongoing gun violence that is the highest of all first world nations. So you offer no solutions? We can't do anything?

So honestly what do you think will happen if the government decides to come door to door stealing guns and arresting anyone who says no?

 

[Wildswanderer]

You tell us, will law abiding gun owners follow new laws that govern the sale and transfer of guns privately owned?

Not all new gun owners are on the right. Many leftists have guns stashed away...many that insist they are anti gun. I would not trust them to be lawful when they can't be honest.

 

[danieldemol]

Did you bother to run the stats which show a slight decrease in murder rates as gun ownership increases?

No, I don't have the time and you claimed you had already done it, so why not submit your work for peer review and we can see what the relevant professionals offer as comments on it?
In my opinion.

 

[danieldemol]

Blue lives do matter as do all other lives.
Let me ask you what is your plan for the many many weapons now held that would not fit your concept of safe weapons?

In Australia there was a buyback scheme which seems to me to have been successful.
In my opinion.

 

[Truth in love]

In Australia there was a buyback scheme which seems to me to have been successful.
In my opinion.

Like people sacred out of their minds as robbers break the bars off their windows and rob them?

been there good people scared and crooks thinking no one will stop them. I would not call that success.

 

[danieldemol]

Like people sacred out of their minds as robbers break the bars off their windows and rob them?

been there good people scared and crooks thinking no one will stop them. I would not call that success.

We don't seem to have that problem in Australia, but if you have it in the US owning a dog should rectify the problem.

In my opinion.

 

[Twilight Hue]

So honestly what do you think will happen if the government decides to come door to door stealing guns and arresting anyone who says no?

If the authoritarian NY governor has her way that could be a reality very soon. It's called red flag laws where on a tip, authorities can raid your home and seize your firearms.


Edit: oops. The People's Republic Chairwoman has already decreed it by expanding the powers to the State Police themselves.....

Red Flag Gun Protection Law

 

[Truth in love]

We don't seem to have that problem in Australia, but if you have it in the US owning a dog should rectify the problem.

In my opinion.

What part of aus are you in?

 

[Revoltingest]

If the authoritarian NY governor has her way that could be a reality very soon. It's called red flag laws where on a tip, authorities can raid your home and seize your firearms.


Edit: oops. The People's Republic Chairwoman has already decreed it by expanding the powers to the State Police themselves.....

Red Flag Gun Protection Law

The linked summary of the law claims due process.
We don't want early morning raids by government's
no-knock militarized thugs.

 

[Truth in love]

If the authoritarian NY governor has her way that could be a reality very soon. It's called red flag laws where on a tip, authorities can raid your home and seize your firearms.


Edit: oops. The People's Republic Chairwoman has already decreed it by expanding the powers to the State Police themselves.....

Red Flag Gun Protection Law

When you get some time watch gone with the wind and ask if a second civil war will save lives. That is the very likely outcome if the government continues to push people and punish them for living by their rights.