Maybe its not misinformation, but rather doublespeak.

[Twilight Hue]

Old book docu/interview but revelant...

I think doublespeak has become the norm now.

So much so its not even noticeable so we confuse it with misinformation even though it may not be.

Maybe time we are aware once again how doublespeak is being used to affect people and their lives.

Thoughts?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Old book docu/interview but revelant...

I think doublespeak has become the norm now.

So much so its not even noticeable so we confuse it with misinformation even though it may not be.

Maybe time we are aware once again how doublespeak is being used to affect people and their lives.

Thoughts?

It applies to us all including you and I.

 

[Revoltingest]

I've noticed something about language on NPR this year....
"Pregnant women" has become "pregnant people".
In the context of abortion & contraception issues....
"Women" has become "people with a uterus".
In the context of government control...
"Black people" & "African Americans" have become "black bodies".

 

[SkepticThinker]

Do you have some examples?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I've noticed something about language on NPR this year....
"Pregnant women" has become "pregnant people".
In the context of abortion & contraception issues....
"Women" has become "people with a uterus".
In the context of government control...
"Black people" & "African Americans" have become "black bodies".

Yes, and?

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, and?

It's interesting.
I neither object nor approve.
That is all.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It applies to us all including you and I.

Agreed.

 

[Nakosis]

Old book docu/interview but revelant...

I think doublespeak has become the norm now.

So much so its not even noticeable so we confuse it with misinformation even though it may not be.

Maybe time we are aware once again how doublespeak is being used to affect people and their lives.

Thoughts?

I prefer blunt but people don't like it when you are blunt. People like it when you use language they can interpret in a way that makes them feels good.

I'd be happy to be blunt all day long but I'd likely lose my job, my family, friends etc.

I suppose the trick is knowing when it is safe to be blunt.
Doublespeak is not for my benefit. It is for all them there folks who can't handle the truth.

 

[74x12]

Old book docu/interview but revelant...

I think doublespeak has become the norm now.

So much so its not even noticeable so we confuse it with misinformation even though it may not be.

Maybe time we are aware once again how doublespeak is being used to affect people and their lives.

Thoughts?

Double speak and even double think. They've created an environment where there are two "Truths" which contradict each other. One is just what is correct and the other is what is "politically" correct. In which case they admit they're politicizing language. It's thought control.

And pc language is only the tip of the iceberg of the subtle mind control techniques being utulized against the public.

The result of being double minded according to the holy scriptures is that you are unstable in all your ways. This results in paralysis. That is the inability to achieve anything.

The fact is they don't care about the truth. So long as they get what they want they will sacrifice everything good. They're pulling out the stops lately.

I still refer to websters 1828 edition because if you've ever watched 1984 or read the book you know that's one thing they do. They keep releasing new dictionaries which invalidate the old definitions. It's called "new speak".

 

[Daemon Sophic]

Old book docu/interview but revelant...

I think doublespeak has become the norm now.

So much so its not even noticeable so we confuse it with misinformation even though it may not be.

Maybe time we are aware once again how doublespeak is being used to affect people and their lives.

Thoughts?

No. It is a knowing, willfully, and fully intentional attempt to mislead the listeners. Sometimes “doublespeak” is used. Sometimes statistics are purposefully distorted. Sometimes the lies are blatant and undeniable. Often it is simply the tone of voice in which news is delivered, to “guide” the listener’s interpretation of the news.

Here is the first of many pages of “Pants On Fire” lies identified by Politifact. Each one can be clicked on to get the full story with supporting evidence. Many times even Politifact is FAR too optimistic and forgiving, but at least they catch a fraction of what we’re all being inundated with on a daily basis in the US.

| PolitiFact
They’re blatant lies for all to see if they have the time, ability to look, and the wits to think about it.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Double speak and even double think. They've created an environment where there are two "Truths" which contradict each other. One is just what is correct and the other is what is "politically" correct. In which case they admit they're politicizing language. It's thought control.

And pc language is only the tip of the iceberg of the subtle mind control techniques being utulized against the public.

The result of being double minded according to the holy scriptures is that you are unstable in all your ways. This results in paralysis. That is the inability to achieve anything.

The fact is they don't care about the truth. So long as they get what they want they will sacrifice everything good. They're pulling out the stops lately.

I still refer to websters 1828 edition because if you've ever watched 1984 or read the book you know that's one thing they do. They keep releasing new dictionaries which invalidate the old definitions. It's called "new speak".

That's actually a very astute observation.

Particularly the editions of dictionarys past and present and how words are being manipulated through doublespeak and changed to suit whatever the landscape happens to be.

 

[SomeRandom]

I've noticed something about language on NPR this year....
"Pregnant women" has become "pregnant people".
In the context of abortion & contraception issues....
"Women" has become "people with a uterus".
In the context of government control...
"Black people" & "African Americans" have become "black bodies".

I think it’s likely a strategy to pointedly remind folks that women are indeed people as well, even whilst pregnant. Given that there seems frustration that they are seemingly thought of as nothing but incubators. In the specific context of abortion discussions anyway.

Also people becoming more aware of the…more interesting nuances (let’s say) of pregnancy. Because trans men can still become pregnant, just for example.
So that’s also a reflection of folks trying not to be transphobic or indeed just trying to be polite about it.

As the nuances of reality become more acknowledged, language will change to reflect that.
A static language is a dead language, after all

 

[Revoltingest]

I think it’s likely a strategy to pointedly remind folks that women are indeed people as well, even whilst pregnant.

The claim that "women are people too" always struck
me as histrionic....something to make them feel all the
more a victim, but only in their own minds.

Also people becoming more aware of the…more interesting nuances (let’s say) of pregnancy. Because trans men can still become pregnant, just for example.

I know.
It's just very very uncommon.

So that’s also a reflection of folks trying not to be transphobic or indeed just trying to be polite about it.

As the nuances of reality become more acknowledged, language will change to reflect that.
A static language is a dead language, after all

I'm not arguing against it.
It just sounds strange.

 

[SomeRandom]

The claim that "women are people too" always struck
me as histrionic....something to make them feel all the
more a victim, but only in their own minds.

Well if you’re told to your face point blank that you are as much of a person as a zygote, I think the feeling of victimisation is warranted. No?
If people need to be told that women are people as well, that doesn’t speak well of their empathy towards women in general.
Just saying

I know.
It's just very very uncommon.

So are red heads to be fair. Lol we still try to include them in language if possible, no?

I'm not arguing against it.
It just sounds strange.

Eh.
Language in the midst of evolution always sounds a bit strange.
No doubt people were saying that when “you” was in the process of replacing “thou.”

 

[Revoltingest]

Well if you’re told to your face point blank that you are as much of a person as a zygote....

What are the statistics on how many women have
been told this? (I'm highly skeptical of your claim.)

So are red heads to be fair. Lol we still try to include them in language if possible, no?

Do you claim equivalent frequency?
I'll wager that redheads are many orders of
magnitude more common than pregnant men.

Language in the midst of evolution always sounds a bit strange.
No doubt people were saying that when “you” was in the process of replacing “thou.”

No argument there.

It seems that posters here dislike
my noticing this change in language.
Should I not have broached it?

 

[SomeRandom]

What are the statistics on how many women have
been told this? (I'm highly skeptical of your claim.)

I was being rather snarky. I assumed my tone carried through the text. Apologies

But anyone who’s encountered a very fervent pro life protester irl (and even online) has encountered something along those lines. And can likely attest to it.

I have many times, many of my friends have, my family have (even the Catholic ones.)
But if you’d like me to conduct a poll I’d be happy to oblige. I can’t guarantee scientific accuracy, alas

Do you claim equivalent frequency?
I'll wager that redheads are many orders of
magnitude more common than pregnant men.

I kind of want to take you up on that bet

No argument there.

It seems that posters here dislike
my noticing this change in language.
Should I not have broached it?

Oh no, broach away. I like it when you stir the pot

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Double speak and even double think. They've created an environment where there are two "Truths" which contradict each other. One is just what is correct and the other is what is "politically" correct. In which case they admit they're politicizing language. It's thought control.

And pc language is only the tip of the iceberg of the subtle mind control techniques being utulized against the public.

The result of being double minded according to the holy scriptures is that you are unstable in all your ways. This results in paralysis. That is the inability to achieve anything.

The fact is they don't care about the truth. So long as they get what they want they will sacrifice everything good. They're pulling out the stops lately.

I still refer to websters 1828 edition because if you've ever watched 1984 or read the book you know that's one thing they do. They keep releasing new dictionaries which invalidate the old definitions. It's called "new speak".

Modern dictionaries are getting more words. In Newspeak, language is being purposely pared down to limit thought. So new editions of dictionaries are actually doing the opposite of Newspeak.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I've noticed something about language on NPR this year....
"Pregnant women" has become "pregnant people".
In the context of abortion & contraception issues....
"Women" has become "people with a uterus".
In the context of government control...
"Black people" & "African Americans" have become "black bodies".

Do you want the answer and no, it is neither true nor false. It is a POV about how POVs work.
Take any word and it can become a case of several meanings.
I.e. I see a cat versus I see that science is the best method we have to understand the world. The first "see" is about a fact whereas the second one is an evaluation.
Now here is a general one: Wrong is wrong. Depending on the meaning of the "is" that has at least 2 different meanings.
But the same can happen with pregnant woman, woman and other words.

From my tribe as "crazy" there is a host of words, which have double meanings. An original descriptive one in a clinical sense and a derogative folk evaluation of in the end a negative evaluation of the worth of a human.
So we are in a rat race in trying to use natural words to describe and some end up as a negative evaluation of the worth of a human. That is it. This POV is standard in sociology books about how language works and has nothing to do with specific groups of people. All humans can do this including you and I.

 

[SomeRandom]

Modern dictionaries are getting more words. In Newspeak, language is being purposely pared down to limit thought. So new editions of dictionaries are actually doing the opposite of Newspeak.

Finally!!! Someone who’s actually read the book lol

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Double speak and even double think. They've created an environment where there are two "Truths" which contradict each other. One is just what is correct and the other is what is "politically" correct. In which case they admit they're politicizing language. It's thought control.

And pc language is only the tip of the iceberg of the subtle mind control techniques being utulized against the public.

The result of being double minded according to the holy scriptures is that you are unstable in all your ways. This results in paralysis. That is the inability to achieve anything.

The fact is they don't care about the truth. So long as they get what they want they will sacrifice everything good. They're pulling out the stops lately.

I still refer to websters 1828 edition because if you've ever watched 1984 or read the book you know that's one thing they do. They keep releasing new dictionaries which invalidate the old definitions. It's called "new speak".

No, that is purality. Even for the word "truth" there is no one correct definition:
Cognitive Relativism | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy
Truth | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy