an anarchist
Your local anarchist.
I suppose you aren’t a decaying mortal on the way to the morgue? You must really be something, huh?
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Is God Self-Evident
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Subduction Zone
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Please try again. Why post such false claims?
Created man (and, expressly, woman) "in his own image". This expression is so vague, so imprecise that it can only be read as an emotional feel-good proposition, as distinct from a factual one. Or is the Judeo-Christian God an hermaphrodite example of H sapiens sapiens?
"your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit" ─ again the words are examined but no precise meaning is found. It can only refer to a state of mind along the lines of, "the Lord is with me", not to any real condition of the body ─ otherwise we'd have an objective test for whose body was such a temple and whose was not.
Rather, "In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you" ─ that is, Jesus is saying that through him, anyone can be united with the God Jesus serves and worships. The author of John, like Paul, was a gnostic-flavored believer, and both envisaged God as entirely spirit, immensely remote and immensely pure; for them, but not for the synoptic authors, Jesus pre-existed in heaven with God, and in the gnostic role of demiurge ("craftsman") created the material universe (1 Corinthians 8:6), John 1:3), which God would never do [him]self, and then became the necessary mediator between material humans and this remote purely spiritual God.
The Jesuses of Mark, Matthew and Luke, on the other hand, are directly the envoys of God, the God whom any believer can address directly and without mediation, as the Jews had always done.
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No, because most don't look that deep enough within to make this realization.
Having it written out in the Bible is useless and informs no one.
Where is the information on how to contact the Gods?
Sometimes I think it would be a good idea for theists - especially monotheists - to decide amongst themselves what they're they're going to all agree to believe.
I mean, we have a whole other long, active thread full of theists arguing that God isn't self-evident:
Why is God hiding? Answer to atheists
If you want us to take you folks seriously, you really have to stop contradicting each other.
vedantans make the same claim. But I'm not trying to make a claim except to abrahamics by using the Bible. Jesus and Asaph said the same thing. That mankind was a form of the unformed. This is also a principle of alchemy.
Psalm 46:10
I didn't write this thread for agnostics
Paul?
you're already in conversations with it when interacting with others. Even having a dialog in your own mind would be a conversation with it.
Subduction Zone
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You should realize that alchemy is nonsense. Referring to it hurts your case. Referring to the Bible or any other holy book is also a poor strategy since it puts the burden of proof upon the person that used the holy book
How would you demonstrate that someone's holy book was reliable?
No Jesus said that there is something intrinsic about all of us . That christ is within all. And not to look for it outside/apart from self
I could understand that coming from a person who would possibly disdain psychology.
Beliefs are a dime a dozen. Even agnostic beliefs
Subduction Zone
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That is a rather strange jump in reasoning.
Do you not see the flaw in your approach? To someone of a different religion or a non-believer it is obvious.
To realize Atman = Brahman takes a lot more then that.
Subduction Zone
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Except that agnosticism, which is usually a form of atheism, is a lack of belief.
Buddha said some similar stuff too.
Subduction Zone
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Except that the Christians try to be rather exclusive and say that others cannot do what they have done. By the way, didn't the Buddha predate Jesus?