Man is not an animal

[Wildswanderer]

You'd go with what people tell you on this forum about why they don't believe.

Good grief, you really didn't get that?

That's all over the place, they generally don't even give a reason, really.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Probably. But this is in conflict with the Baha'i doctrine that every so often, a new messenger needs to come along to speak to the people of that age, as if they could not understand today's messages then.

I'm not a Bahai...

 

[Wildswanderer]

an indicator of truth." Rational ethicists don't receive their morals this way. If your morals are those that others advocate, then you're not doing it right. In my case, I have a moral imperative (utilitarianism, the Golden Rule) that is not the result of reason, but an unshakeable intuition of what is good and right

Well i believe it's because so many people have that intuition that we mostly agree that rape or murder are wrong.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I find that the ideas that characterize modernity, while they do issue in problems of their own, are overshadowed by the fact that these ideas have made life longer, healthier, safer, easier, more comfortable, and more interesting.

And people generally more dissatisfied and disconnected than ever. When we lived in small villages we had true community, now we just pass each other on the road.

 

[Wildswanderer]

It seems to me that religion is much more likely to push that idea. It is those who think that their God is special and their belief makes them special that seem to think they are the center of the universe (right next to God).

It seems that NOT believing in God is scary to most believers.

No, it is merely boring.
How can worship of a supreme being make us the center of anything? It shows us how small we are in the bigger picture.

 

[Wildswanderer]

But that doesn't mean that humans 20,000 years ago had any great insights that we do not have today

It doesn't mean they didn't either. There's quite a lot of wisdom that can be gleaned from the ancients.

 

[Wildswanderer]

And before people learned news about the larger world through word of mouth, leading to huge misunderstandings and prejudices. Nobody knew anything then either, outside of a few very limited skills.

You are missing the point. We are losing the basic survival skills that were known by most people in the past. Can you make your own clothes from deerskin you tan? Start fires with what is available not what you carry? And on and on... fortunately there is a resurgence of interest in this stuff every time we hit a financial crunch.

 

[Jainarayan]

Many humans do use alphabet. Some humans are sick or not developed so much, so they do not.
But no bear, wolf, nor spider is using alphabet.

According to this ridiculous theory a newborn baby is an animal??
No. I repeat: "Many humans do use alphabet. Some humans are sick or not developed so much"

Alphabets are not language, writing is not language.

 

[Polymath257]

And people generally more dissatisfied and disconnected than ever. When we lived in small villages we had true community, now we just pass each other on the road.

True community also meant over-involvement in the business of others, a lack of basic freedoms, and a stultifying conformity that didn't leave room for more real personality development.

You are missing the point. We are losing the basic survival skills that were known by most people in the past. Can you make your own clothes from deerskin you tan? Start fires with what is available not what you carry? And on and on... fortunately there is a resurgence of interest in this stuff every time we hit a financial crunch.

And why should I care about those skills? Sure, if there is a collapse of society, those can be relearned (I have books about such things), but I find it more productive to spend my time with other things.

Why would I *want* to make clothes out of deer skins when I have clothes made out of much more comfortable, durable, and protective materials?

No, it is merely boring.
How can worship of a supreme being make us the center of anything? It shows us how small we are in the bigger picture.

Believers tend to think they are special because they are in 'God's grace'. They see themselves as chosen. It is a form of ego to think we are the reason the universe was created (to house us).

This seems to be far more common than atheists being afraid of something larger than themselves (which, by the way, we all know--planets, stars, galaxies, etc are far larger, more powerful, and dangerous than any person could ever be).

 

[YoursTrue]

Sure, all measurements have some error bars. But they are not likely to be so far off that the conclusions fail.

Humans have had writing for only the last 5000 years or so. We have been around for at least 20 times that. That small time period is not representative of what it means to be human.

Won't it be amazing when scientists just can't figure out -- according to terms of natural selection in evolutionary theory -- if, when, and how the gaps in the various animals occurred? I think it will be very interesting as scientists just can't figure out about the Cambrian period.

 

[YoursTrue]

Alphabets are not language, writing is not language.

I dare not say animals, but -- apes, cockroaches, bonobos, do not have phones to communicate with one another if they're not nearby. Or newspapers.

 

[night912]

Animals do not have articulate speech and poets. Man is not an animal.

Yes, the animals can communicate. But they have no articulate speech. There is difference: articulate communication, and non-articulate one. Articulate one has alphabet. Do whales have letters in alphabet order?

Many humans do use alphabet. Some humans are sick or not developed so much, so they do not.
But no bear, wolf, nor spider is using alphabet.

According to this ridiculous theory a newborn baby is an animal??
No. I repeat: "Many humans do use alphabet. Some humans are sick or not developed so much"

IF you define an animal.....
I am not defining. I am saying fact:

Only humans use alphabet.

Some humans are humans, but do not use alphabet (they are e.g. babies).

But no single bear has used alphabet. Hence, humans are not bears.

HOWEVER, there are plenty of apes who use ASL (a type of alphabet)??
Why a type of alphabet, but not actual alphabet? Can you list right here the first 10 letters of monkeys alphabet? And what words are there in their language? How they sound?

But the real thing that sets us apart from animals is the spiritual component, almost all humans understand that they are spiritual beings??
They have replied, that monkeys built primitive holy places as well.

CONCLUSION:

Animals know the Lord, unlike the atheists. Top primates are religious, and praying, and having alphabet.
But they are not human, because they have mortal soul.

John Nash was a Nobel Prize winner in economic science and a member of the Academy of Sciences. He was also highly delusional and spent considerable periods in psychiatric hospitals.
Most people are schizophrenic, because schizophrenia is a person's split. Major splits are: Faith vs. Knowledge, Religion vs. Science, State vs. Church separation.

People with schizophrenia require lifelong treatment??
Not all people. For example, the atheists have schizophrenic split between God and reality. But most of them are not in mental clinics.

That's not how you classify/identify things. Classifying things are based on the attributes that that particular thing possessed, not something that they lack.

Only humans use alphabet.

Answer this question honestly, are you racist? Within context of what you've said, you believing that Chinese are animals and not humans, strongly suggest that you are.

BTW,
Here are some facts that apparently you are in need of knowing. Just because you believe that trees, cars and churches are animals and that devices such as Google's Alexa are humans, does not mean that it's true.

Can you list right here the first 10 letters of monkeys alphabet? And what words are there in their language? How they sound?

Can you list right here the first 10 letters of humans alphabet? And what words are there in their language? How they sound?

 

[Valjean]

I dare not say animals, but -- apes, cockroaches, bonobos, do not have phones to communicate with one another if they're not nearby. Or newspapers.

What does this have to do with biological taxonomy?
Please define "animal." We're arguing about completely different things.

 

[tas8831]

I agree with you. If we were to give a monkey unlimited time to evolve, they would never become conscious like us. We are not apes, we are Godlike creatures, imo.

Arrogant and self-centered, too, apparently.

Sadly, even Google dictionary knows what an animal is:

an·i·mal
/ˈanəməl/
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noun

1. a living organism that feeds on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous system and able to respond rapidly to stimuli.

We are animals, and all your self-righteous whining will not change that.

 

[Polymath257]

Won't it be amazing when scientists just can't figure out -- according to terms of natural selection in evolutionary theory -- if, when, and how the gaps in the various animals occurred? I think it will be very interesting as scientists just can't figure out about the Cambrian period.

What do you mean? They know quite a lot about the Cambrian period. They also know quite a lot about the pre-cambrian period.

Be more specific. Which 'gaps' are you interested in?

 

[SkepticThinker]

And people today depend on their computers to tell them everything. That's where they get their information about what is happening in the world and if they want to know how something works they Google it... So nobody actually knows anything, except the people who have already had experience with real life skills.
When you are stranded when your electric car breaks down, and your Bic lighter runs out of fuel, you're going to wish you knew some alternative ways to start a fire, BTW.

You're really working hard to avoid the point.

You just explained how if you don't know how something works or don't know how to do something, you can Google it in five seconds and learn it. But you don't think we are more knowledgeable than our ancient ancestors. Those two things don't jibe.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Not all available options were listed.

Human is not animal, plant, mineral, water, air, ape, angel, God.

Those were all the available options. Humans are categorized as animals.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes we know that the world is much more complex than the ancients ever would have supposed...

Yep, there's a lot that they didn't know, that we know now.

We have more evidence for the existence of God.

What evidence? What God?

Some of our ancestors would have told you that lightning is evidence for the specific gods they believed in. Gods that nobody believes in today.

 

[SkepticThinker]

That's all over the place, they generally don't even give a reason, really.

I call BS. I've seen plenty of atheists give their reasons. You just don't like them, apparently and would rather go with your pre-conceived ideas that were taught to you via your theology.
I used to be a Christian, I know what is said about atheists.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No, it is merely boring.
How can worship of a supreme being make us the center of anything? It shows us how small we are in the bigger picture.

A supreme being who crafted the entire universe with us in mind. As in, it was all created just so humans could be plopped down on planet Earth to praise and worship a deity. Oh, and rule over the other animals on the planet.
Sounds pretty self-centred to me.