Revelation 21:1-5 refers to the period called the millennium. The millennium is only 1000 years, not "eternal torture" which per Revelation 20:10, only refers to the false prophet, the beast and the devil at the completion of the millennium, at which time, the false prophet, and the beast were already in the "lake of fire", for they were already dead, except in the form of their "demon spirits" (Revelation 16:13), at the beginning of the millennium. The state of being for the "murders, etc.", will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth" outside the gates of "Jerusalem". (Mt 13:42). For Revelation 21:8, the "murderers" will be thrown into the lake of fire, at the end of the millennium, at which time they will be burned up, and not suffering eternal pain, for they do not have "eternal life". During the "millennium", the "murderers" will find themselves locked outside of the gates (Revelation 22:14-15). I was raised in a Catholic family, and they are pretty much all Catholics, but I can't think of one that agrees with the pope, although my sister, the nun, doesn't tell me what she thinks. She leaves the sleeping dog sleep. I do have another sister who thinks going to church is a good thing, despite what ever I should say, but I doubt if she agrees with the pope on much. But, she went to school in a nunnery, and probably thinks the church can "save" her, if she takes communion. What can I say? You can't have "eternal" damnation, if you don't have eternal life. Apparently the beast, and the false prophet ate from the tree of life, and that won't apparently turn out well for them.