Where does the Quran say Muhammad is the last Messenger of God?

[MyM]

You got nothing. They didn't say "a Nabi will come from the Persians", and so again referring to ambiguities.

It means Iranians have replaced the Arabs in serving God and Ahlulbayt (a).

Ahlulbayt (a) position is clear in Quran.

that is your version

 

[Colt]

I don't have a comprehension problem and in Islam, Allah states
“Do they not then consider the Quran carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much contradiction”
an-Nisa’ 4:82

But the trinity is supposed to be....the father.....THE SON.....the holy spirit...... so that DOES make him part of the trinity. it's nonsensical because how can you say a personality is part of the trinity when the god man was supposed to die and that was a man not a personality?

And Paul states in a letter to Timothy that the scripture is inspired. That doesn't mean its true, it just means that's his personal opinion.

Muslims often cherry pick the Bible when it suits their argument but then deny allusions to Jesus' resurrection, powers and divinity.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Go for it Learn about the Quran and not from the enemies of Islam or you will get no where.

I do not need to go to anyone. I can access nine translations of Quran on internet.

 

[MyM]

I already quoted Hadith.

By the way do you know Arabic. Not that it matters, but so I know, if need to explain something.

Look, in the verse that says, Allah will replace you with another people, the word is قوم. (Pronounced qom.

This word in Arabic means Tribe. Typically, for example Arabs are a qom, or Tribe. Jews were another Qom. Persians are another qom.
So, I asked what does it mean, He will replace you with another Tribe?

The Hadith suggests that Arabs will be Replaced with Pesians.
In other words, if Allah had chosen Arabs, by sending a Messenger to them, now He will replace them with Persians.
This is what the verse and the Hadith say together. I am not making anything up here. Hope you can see. I quote Quran and Hadith.

You may have quoted the Quran, but you did NOT give the correct tafsir and exegesis of that aya. If you take from those only you approve from, there will bound to misguidings. Be careful.

Allah says it's easy for him to replace anyone with anyone....in that verse he did not say he was replacing who with who....but in that verse he did say those that act mean/stingy ...it would be very easy

(And if you turn away, ) which means, if you turn away from obeying Him and adhering to His Laws......SIMPLE no need to put things in where they don't belong based on assumptions when Allah is so eloquent.

 

[MyM]

And Paul states in a letter to Timothy that the scripture is inspired. That doesn't mean its true, it just means that's his personal opinion.

Muslims often cherry pick the Bible when it suits their argument but then deny allusions to Jesus' resurrection, powers and divinity.

I was a Christian when I wrote down all the words of Jesus and compared them to what the pastors were saying...I wasn't denyin anything...and I always get the same answer, you just gotta have faith and you don't know what you are talking about. God himself said he wasn't the author of confusion in the Bible.

Of course we will deny Jesus dying. We don't believe he died but was taking up to await for his 2nd comin...he has a mission to fulfil- We as Muslims believe in Jesus and his miracles that he himself couldn't do any of them without his Creator and if he was god in the flesh he wouldn't be praying to God he wouldn't be fallin on his face and praying, or teaching others how to pray, "Our father who art in heaven...." he said himself he could do nothing...this is Jesus...saying to yall he is not to be worshipped! He even said, "Why callest thou me good, but there is only one good and that is God in heaven."

We do believe in Jesus

 

[2ndpillar]

Lol most Arabs were Jews. Again, they came to Islam.

The writers of the Hadiths were mostly sons of Persians, whose national religion was Zoroastrian, and the hadith is filled with off take copies of Jewish, Zoroastrian, and "Christian" stories. The only draw to the Islam religion was in the form of lower taxes, or in some cases keeping one's head. While there were remnants of the Babylonian Jews, in Hira or that area, as there are even a few today, the majority of converts were from Persia and North Africa, and initially a product of the lower taxes for Muslim believers. It is a religion of monetary policy and having an affinity to keep one's head in place. Today, as with a lot of religions, it is a matter of marriage protocols, and large Muslim families, which continuous the Muslim indoctrination. The Muslim death bell will be due to any increase in wealth, and education. The Muslims fleeing the godless USA will keep their indoctrination, but their children, when exposed to non-Muslim education, and a higher standard of living, will shun blowing themselves up for the greater good. Don't get me wrong, Jews can be bought, but generally not in large numbers. They fled from Spain under the Inquisition, which was similar in circumstance, other than the use of fire versus a sword, and theft versus taxes. The ones who stayed feign obedience to the Pope. The good thing is that the Spanish government in 2015 made a law giving dual citizenship to any Jews expelled in 1490 era expulsion. On the other hand, the Muslims still persecute the Jews in their countries.

 

[MyM]

And Paul states in a letter to Timothy that the scripture is inspired. That doesn't mean its true, it just means that's his personal opinion.

Muslims often cherry pick the Bible when it suits their argument but then deny allusions to Jesus' resurrection, powers and divinity.

If Paul created the gospel of course he is gonna say it is inspired. But where was Jesus to verify it? Was no where around. If I wanted to obey the gospel of Jesus i would look for the Gospel of Jesus....not according to and someone not even present when Jesus was.

 

[MyM]

The writers of the Hadiths were mostly sons of Persians, whose national religion was Zoroastrian, and the hadith is filled with off take copies of Jewish, Zoroastrian, and "Christian" stories. The only draw to the Islam religion was in the form of lower taxes, or in some cases keeping one's head. While there were remnants of the Babylonian Jews, in Hira or that area, as there are even a few today, the majority of converts were from Persia and North Africa, and initially a product of the lower taxes for Muslim believers. It is a religion of monetary policy and having an affinity to keep one's head in place. Today, as with a lot of religions, it is a matter of marriage protocols, and large Muslim families, which continuous the Muslim indoctrination. The Muslim death bell will be due to any increase in wealth, and education. The Muslims fleeing the godless USA will keep their indoctrination, but their children, when exposed to non-Muslim education, and a higher standard of living, will shun blowing themselves up for the greater good. Don't get me wrong, Jews can be bought, but generally not in large numbers. They fled from Spain under the Inquisition, which was similar in circumstance, other than the use of fire versus a sword, and theft versus taxes. The ones who stayed feign obedience to the Pope. The good thing is that the Spanish government in 2015 made a law giving dual citizenship to any Jews expelled in 1490 era expulsion. On the other hand, the Muslims still persecute the Jews in their countries.

IN ISLAM IT SAYS TO BRING YOUR PROOF.....yet you are not so that proves you are lying against Islam.
Prove that the writers of ahadith were Zoroastrian!!! Where are you getting your information from!!!! WTH stop spreading such things...please!

 

[InvestigateTruth]

You may have quoted the Quran, but you did NOT give the correct tafsir and exegesis of that aya. If you take from those only you approve from, there will bound to misguidings. Be careful.

Allah says it's easy for him to replace anyone with anyone....in that verse he did not say he was replacing who with who....but in that verse he did say those that act mean/stingy ...it would be very easy

(And if you turn away, ) which means, if you turn away from obeying Him and adhering to His Laws......SIMPLE no need to put things in where they don't belong based on assumptions when Allah is so eloquent.

No, in that verse it says, you will be replaced with another Tribe (قوم).
This is not like an individual replacement. Because the word قوم، is a group of people, not just an individual.
Moreover, how do you know the Hadith, is false? Is it because you don't like it?

I wish you knew Arabic, so, you could know how the word is used in other verses.
If my time allows, I will find how God replaced other people before according to the Quran. Maybe that makes things more clear.

 

[Trailblazer]

Not most, but All. Is there any religion which escapes correction by Bahais?

We do not correct them but we realize that many of their beliefs are not correct, since they have been corrupted by man.

 

[Trailblazer]

The link shows you don't. You believe it to about manifestation of your Prophet, not the day of judgment spoken about in Quran.

No, that is not all we believe about the Day of Judgment.
What does the Qur'an say about the Day of Judgment?

 

[Colt]

I was a Christian when I wrote down all the words of Jesus and compared them to what the pastors were saying...I wasn't denyin anything...and I always get the same answer, you just gotta have faith and you don't know what you are talking about. God himself said he wasn't the author of confusion in the Bible.

Of course we will deny Jesus dying. We don't believe he died but was taking up to await for his 2nd comin...he has a mission to fulfil- We as Muslims believe in Jesus and his miracles that he himself couldn't do any of them without his Creator and if he was god in the flesh he wouldn't be praying to God he wouldn't be fallin on his face and praying, or teaching others how to pray, "Our father who art in heaven...." he said himself he could do nothing...this is Jesus...saying to yall he is not to be worshipped! He even said, "Why callest thou me good, but there is only one good and that is God in heaven."

We do believe in Jesus

And sitting at the right hand of the Father now he is still subordinate to the Father. The incarnate Son lived out his mortal life subject to the will of the Father and at the same time had the power of his office.

Yes, I know, the authorities of Judaism also thought that they know all things knowable about God and since they couldn't understand how God could be in the person of his Son standing right in front of them, they killed him. Things haven't gone well for Israel after that.

 

[Colt]

If Paul created the gospel of course he is gonna say it is inspired. But where was Jesus to verify it? Was no where around. If I wanted to obey the gospel of Jesus i would look for the Gospel of Jesus....not according to and someone not even present when Jesus was.

Thats why I'm a disciple of Jesus and not Paul.

 

[firedragon]

We do not correct them but we realize that many of their beliefs are not correct, since they have been corrupted by man.

But when you say "we", most of the Bahai's have never even read one page of any of these religious scriptures they claim to have studied in-depth. So how in the world can you assume they were corrupted by man or not?

The bahai's claim the Bible is Gods word, but absolutely refuse to accept or address Bible scholarship. Its all arbitrary. If it suits, its taken, if not, its called allegorical, mystical or something like that. Its just arbitrary.

Its all pretty bizarre to me. Sorry I dont mean to be disrespect able to you because you honestly dont make most of these pseudo scholarly claims. But I am just telling you the fact. Some of those who claim to have studied "all scripture", which means Quran, Bible, Gitas, Puranas, Tipitaka, etc etc, in-depth are right in this very thread. But I can challenge you, they have not read a single one of these books from cover to cover or even half of it.

That is why your claim seems so farfetched. Seems like a claim you are repeating without proper analysis.

Thus, I would like to see your analysis.

Cheers.

 

[firedragon]

No, in that verse it says, you will be replaced with another Tribe (قوم).

Does Kawm mean a tribe? Since you cut and paste arabic text, what are the meanings of Kawm?

This is not like an individual replacement. Because the word قوم، is a group of people, not just an individual.
Moreover, how do you know the Hadith, is false? Is it because you don't like it?

Well, the thing is this IT. Dont impose your methodology of rejecting what you dont like onto others. Maybe others have an honest methodology you have never known in your entire life.

Ill tell you what. Since you make this kind of accusation to people, can you explain what "Sarih" means in hadith? Mind you, I didnt say "Sahih" which every tom dick and harry say as if they are ahadith masters. I said "Sarih". Since you make this kind of ad hominem to other Muslims, can you please give your expert opinion on it?

When you deviate from this particular question because you have not even the knowledge of a child on this subject, remember to be honest and address the question directly. If you try, you will not fail.

I wish you knew Arabic, so, you could know how the word is used in other verses.

So we have another Bahai who poses as an expert in Quranic arabic. can you please explain the difference between Mansoob and Majroor? This is relevant to your expert commentary on people, groups etc that you are discussing accusing other people of not knowing arabic so you must be an expert. So please give some of your expert treatment to that question.

Lets see if you have the integrity to respond to these simple questions.

 

[firedragon]

Typically, for example Arabs are a qom

What do you mean "QOM" oh great arabic scholar accusing others of not knowing arabic?

Mate. there is no "O" sound in the arabic language. Do you even have an ABC knowledge in arabic?

No knowledge in a language is necessary if you have honesty. But this is as absurd as a child pretending to be superman and tells the neighbour "I am strong".

Unbelievable. Mindnumbing really. Please do explain yourself.

Peace.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Is That about successorship in Islam? How can you tell?
Moreover verse 7:35 says, there shall come to you messengers.

The passages before that talk about the Day of Resurrection.

(7:32) Say (O Muhammad): 'Who has forbidden the adornment which Allah has brought forth for His creatures or the good things from among the means of sustenance?' Say: 'These are for the enjoyment of the believers in this world, and shall be exclusively theirs on the Day of Resurrection.' Thus do We clearly expound Our revelations for those who have knowledge.

Then after verse 35 is the warning of the rejection of a Messenger.

(7:36) And those who reject Our revelations as false and turn away from them in arrogance, they shall be the inmates of Hell; and there shall they abide.

It appears the Quran does allow for other Messemgers.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

But when you say "we", most of the Bahai's have never even read one page of any of these religious scriptures they claim to have studied in-depth. So how in the world can you assume they were corrupted by man or not?

The bahai's claim the Bible is Gods word, but absolutely refuse to accept or address Bible scholarship. Its all arbitrary. If it suits, its taken, if not, its called allegorical, mystical or something like that. Its just arbitrary.

Its all pretty bizarre to me. Sorry I dont mean to be disrespect able to you because you honestly dont make most of these pseudo scholarly claims. But I am just telling you the fact. Some of those who claim to have studied "all scripture", which means Quran, Bible, Gitas, Puranas, Tipitaka, etc etc, in-depth are right in this very thread. But I can challenge you, they have not read a single one of these books from cover to cover or even half of it.

That is why your claim seems so farfetched. Seems like a claim you are repeating without proper analysis.

Thus, I would like to see your analysis.

Cheers.

Since I do not know much about other scriptures I do not make any claims about what has been corrupted and not. I can only go by what Baha'u'llah wrote regarding corruption of the scripture as noted below. It was very general, and it was the interpretations of the scriptures that have been corrupted by man, not the scriptures themselves. These misinterpretations led to false beliefs such as the belief that Jesus is God.

“This is the Day when the loved ones of God should keep their eyes directed towards His Manifestation, and fasten them upon whatsoever that Manifestation may be pleased to reveal. Certain traditions of bygone ages rest on no foundations whatever, while the notions entertained by past generations, and which they have recorded in their books, have, for the most part, been influenced by the desires of a corrupt inclination.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 171

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Does Kawm mean a tribe? Since you cut and paste arabic text, what are the meanings of Kawm?



Well, the thing is this IT. Dont impose your methodology of rejecting what you dont like onto others. Maybe others have an honest methodology you have never known in your entire life.

Ill tell you what. Since you make this kind of accusation to people, can you explain what "Sarih" means in hadith? Mind you, I didnt say "Sahih" which every tom dick and harry say as if they are ahadith masters. I said "Sarih". Since you make this kind of ad hominem to other Muslims, can you please give your expert opinion on it?

When you deviate from this particular question because you have not even the knowledge of a child on this subject, remember to be honest and address the question directly. If you try, you will not fail.



So we have another Bahai who poses as an expert in Quranic arabic. can you please explain the difference between Mansoob and Majroor? This is relevant to your expert commentary on people, groups etc that you are discussing accusing other people of not knowing arabic so you must be an expert. So please give some of your expert treatment to that question.

Lets see if you have the integrity to respond to these simple questions.

Everything in your post is irrelevant my friend.
You are free to tell what you think the verse is about.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

What do you mean "QOM" oh great arabic scholar accusing others of not knowing arabic?

Mate. there is no "O" sound in the arabic language. Do you even have an ABC knowledge in arabic?

No knowledge in a language is necessary if you have honesty. But this is as absurd as a child pretending to be superman and tells the neighbour "I am strong".

Unbelievable. Mindnumbing really. Please do explain yourself.

Peace.

It is irrelevant again. Is this a Arabic pronunciation thread, or are we talking about what the verse is talking about?
The English and Arabic have different vowel sounds. But I am just coming to closest pronunciation I can, because I thought our friend may not read Arabic.
We Refer to the Quran and Dictionary for the meaning of Qom, or قوم.

From example lout لوط was a ghome.


Or in this verse:

"Surely We sent Noah to his people. ˹He said,˺ “Indeed, I am sent to you with a clear warning" 11:25

People in this verse is ghom, which is the same word used in the verse 47:38.

So, in the Quran, it is a People, who a Messenger is sent to, for guidance. Then most of them rejected the Messenger.