In a way that reply reminds me of an allergic reaction. Its not identifying the real nature of the problem. You have detected that belief in God or gods may be dangerous, but you seem to think these arise independent of nation states. I don't know whether you do think so, but it seems that you do to me. Correct me if I'm mistaken about your point of view.
You are mistaken, of course religions are influenced by the countries, cultures and societies they exist and evolve in, though this does not change the underlying point that religions can hold core doctrinal ideas that are pernicious, obviously in a free democracy where people are free to believe or disbelieve as they wish, these ideas might have less impact. A good example would be homophobia, and we have seen some pernicious views expressed on here involving such doctrinal bigotry, but in other countries the impact goes way beyond hateful bigotry and prejudice.
I think you are, in spite of your fire and spark, involved in the process of making new deities and upholding current ones. Humanity is a scorpion that keeps stinging itself. You and I are the tail. We are the stinger whether we say we are atheists or whether we say that we are believers.
Not sure I follow sorry.
The freedoms that you talk about have appeared before, but nationality has always defeated them. If you live in a nation you are helping to form new deities and new powers that crush people. Do you like institutions and the stability and guidance of laws? It is your innate appreciation for order, for equality, for equity which are turned against you by the nature of the human race which forms us all into nations.
That maybe, but are we to simply give up, and not try to fight for freedom? I am not just a member of a nation, I also have reasonable autonomy of thought, and as it happens I have always been dubious about patriotism, and despise nationalism, which I view as a pernicious concept that must ne guarded against.
This you blame upon deities, but it is the nations which make the deities and nations which you support. The wars fought in the name of deities are actually fought on your own behalf to protect your property, your name, your freedom.
I am an atheist, thus it is nonsensical to accuse me of "blaming deities" for anything. The second sentence has lost me sorry, you seem to be leaping into non-sequiturs, while making sweeping claims about me, that seem to be based on nothing more than assumption about what I think and why.
You are part of the process which has happened before, many times. A bubble of time in history appears where people live freely, but it is soon burst.
Again you are making assumptions about me, and again one wonders how you can possibly know what I think without my telling you? I'd also ask again, what would you have me do, abandon the pursuit of the idea we should live in free societies, just because historically these freedoms don't last? Plato certainly thought that it was inevitable for democracies to end in the rule of tyrants, I don't know that it is inevitable but it is a constant danger of course.
And that is why your desire to defeat deities can only be accomplished by abandoning the way that people live. You must flee and live homeless.
I am an atheist, so I don't believe there are any deities to defeat, only as I said, pernicious ideas to protect ourselves from. Fleeing my country and living homeless seems an unrealistic bit of hyperbole to me. I understand that one can never be completely free, especially while living in the society of others, but one can at least expect and fight for freedom of speech, thought and expression.
Like Abraham in tents or like gypsies wandering about, always driven away by locals. You'll have to give up nations, but you probably won't. Even your post betrays your belief in nations, because you use terms like 'Barbaric' and 'Granting' and 'Agree' and 'Rights'. All of these are theological, nationalistic, institutional terms.
If you say so, I am dubious, and again you seem to be leaping to conclusions about me based on tenuous assumptions. If you want to disagree that is what debate is for, but why you are minded to tell me what I think is a little bizarre.
I think you are missing the real enemy, which is nationality.
You're wrong, but then that is always a risk we run when we leap to unevidenced assumptions about people.
It is the actual deity you cannot seem to extinguish.
Nations are deities, that seems an odd way to express it, but people certainly worship nations if that is what you mean. I cannot extinguish? Meaning I am one of those people who indulge nationalism? If so then again you're very wrong, and leaping to incorrect assumptions. I despise nationalism and always have, and have always recognised how pernicious it can be.