Evidence of the Non-Physical

[Sheldon]

I'm not interested in a secular point of view, the evidence precludes such options.

What evidence?

The empirical evidence.

What empirical evidence?

 

[PearlSeeker]

What is your evidence of the existence of the non-physical?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_mathematics#Mathematical_realism

 

[DNB]

What empirical evidence?

That precludes the secular point of view.

 

[Sheldon]

the evidence precludes such options.

What evidence?

The empirical evidence.

What empirical evidence?

That precludes the secular point of view.

So you have no evidence then, thought so.

PMLMAO,

 

[DNB]

So you have no evidence then, thought so.

PMLMAO,

The real irony that i see about this is that atheists or secularists, who pride themselves in being so observant, and ardently defending the fact that they will not accept the existence of something of which there is no perceivable evidence, cannot for the life of themselves perceive what is staring them right in the face, of which no other explanation can be offered.
In other words, the secular scientists are blind as bats.

 

[Sheldon]

perceive what is staring them right in the face, of which no other explanation can be offered.

That is an Argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy.

What is staring me right in the face is that you have not demonstrated one shred of objective evidence. Though at this point it doesn't surprise me, as no theists ever has been able to.

 

[DNB]

Though at this point it doesn't surprise me, as no theists ever has been able to.

...oh, but they have, you just don't understand it.

 

[Sheldon]

What is staring me right in the face is that you have not demonstrated one shred of objective evidence. Though at this point it doesn't surprise me, as no theists ever has been able to.

...oh, but they have, you just don't understand it.

Another bare claim, the irony is palpable.

However since I am open minded, please demonstrate the very best piece of objective evidence you think supports your belief a deity exists?

Fair is fair after all, your ball?

 

[DNB]

Another bare claim, the irony is palpable.

However since I am open minded, please demonstrate the very best piece of objective evidence you think supports your belief a deity exists?

Fair is fair after all, your ball?

Yes, but you will invariably make me regret this.

Something did not come from nothing, especially something as elaborate, sophisticated, precise and fine-tuned, structured and purposeful, and miraculous as the universe that we live in - and this unavoidable induction is based solely on the things that we are currently aware of.
Man is axiomatically a spiritual being, from the beginning of time there is not a single nation or culture that has not revered a divine entity in some form or another. The concepts of Religion and Morals do not exist in any other creature on earth, but man - he who was created in the image of God. This spiritual dimension or awareness within man, was not derived from stardust or protoplasm, it existence necessitates a source of this spirit, and that clearly can be no other than a transcendent spiritual being, namely God.

 

[Sheldon]

Yes, but you will invariably make me regret this.

Well debate doesn't guarantee satisfaction, that's not how it works.

Something did not come from nothing, especially something as elaborate, sophisticated, precise and fine-tuned, structured and purposeful, and miraculous as the universe that we live in - and this unavoidable induction is based solely on the things that we are currently aware of.

Straw man fallacy, who has claimed anything "came from nothing"? We have only one universe to observe so how exactly are testing your assumption it is "fine tuned"? Structure and order don't necessarily indicate design, evolution kills that assumption stone dead.

Man is axiomatically a spiritual being,

A bare claim really?

The concepts of Religion and Morals do not exist in any other creature on earth, but man - he who was created in the image of God.

Morality has been evidenced in many other species, it is clearly derived from evolution, as it is an essential ability for all animals that live in societal groups.

This spiritual dimension or awareness within man, was not derived from stardust or protoplasm, it existence necessitates a source of this spirit, and that clearly can be no other than a transcendent spiritual being, namely God.

That's a textbook circular reasoning fallacy. Humans have a propensity for creating imaginary deities, and holding superstitious beliefs. The first is amply demonstrated to be true even to you, as you disbelieve in all the deities I disbelieve, except one.

 

[DNB]

Well debate doesn't guarantee satisfaction, that's not how it works.

Therefore, one has to weigh his opponent in order to decide whether or not he deems it worthwhile to engage - I anticipate futility.

Straw man fallacy, who has claimed anything "came from nothing"? We have only one universe to observe so how exactly are testing your assumption it is "fine tuned"? Structure and order don't necessarily indicate design, evolution kills that assumption stone dead.

You don't understand atheism - something came from nothing.
Structure and order necessitates design - did you not attend grade 6?

Morality has been evidenced in many other species, it is clearly derived from evolution, as it is an essential ability for all animals that live in societal groups.

Don't confuse morality with instinct. No one has ever seen a Buddhist cat, a Muslim dog, a Hindu fish, a camel with a burka on it's head, or an eagle with a mezuzah on its nest. Get serious!

That's a textbook circular reasoning fallacy. Humans have a propensity for creating imaginary deities, and holding superstitious beliefs. The first is amply demonstrated to be true even to you, as you disbelieve in all the deities I disbelieve, except one.

Why do humans create imaginary deities and hold to superstitious beliefs?. To what end would a creature of the universe commit such a senseless and detrimental act - even an ant, with a fraction of the intellectual capacity of man, would never do such a deranged thing. You're not thinking through any of the assertions that you're making.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You don't understand atheism - something came from nothing.
Structure and order necessitates design - did you not attend grade 6?

Both claims are false. There are countless examples of structure and order without a designer. And though the universe came from nothing, it is not an impossibility, atheists do not necessarily believe that. In fact that tends to be the belief of crationists.

 

[rational experiences]

We are all humans born by human sex.

Once just innocent babies and innocent children.

Then some of you grew into satanic agreement. By human adult choice.

You think self is more powerful than natural God. As human science memory always had God states removed.

Personality conditions expressed are human owned.

What you all ignore. You are the humans who pretend you are something else than just a human.

Gods earth spirit is unseen as it is fused.

Spirit of God your human science claim in science a manifested gas spirit.

Unseen. Invisible power.

So scientist first you own science in human self reflection.

Then as a consciousness the human family owned another assessment of you.

So by the time you get about consciously realising just how human wrong you all are you become group possessed also.

As the whole time the human history of any human in science memories is what you access.

As I healed I heard various and Multi pre lived irradiated human science thesis and answers by just humans. DNA inherited conscious life's and body types.

Not by a circular A to Z atmospheric feedback. When the radiation is always in the mass status for human science as fake levels.

Not in the atmosphere.

Stephen hawkings life body the science proof of all ages past.

 

[Sheldon]

Therefore, one has to weigh his opponent in order to decide whether or not he deems it worthwhile to engage - I anticipate futility.

Yes I agree, you do seem very closed minded, I must say.

You don't understand atheism - something came from nothing.
Structure and order necessitates design - did you not attend grade 6?

Atheism is in the dictionary, and my atheism reflects the common usage, what you've claimed here is not atheism, nor is anything I believe or have ever claimed. If structure and order necessitate design what designed to more structed and ordered designer? The assumptions creates either infinite regress or a special pleading fallacy.

I also addressed this straw man once already, read it again and try a candid response that actually addresses what I said, and not your prejudiced views of atheism and atheists.

Straw man fallacy, who has claimed anything "came from nothing"? We have only one universe to observe so how exactly are testing your assumption it is "fine tuned"? Structure and order don't necessarily indicate design, evolution kills that assumption stone dead.

No I did not attend grade 6, I don't even know what it means, as I'm not from the US, I do however now what an ad hominem fallacy is, and what using means, and your posts suggest you are ignorant of this. Of course one can't fail to notice the hilarity of your petty insult, alongside the particularly bigoted and iodic claims you've asserted about atheism. So thanks for the belly laugh.

Don't confuse morality with instinct. No one has ever seen a Buddhist cat, a Muslim dog, a Hindu fish, a camel with a burka on it's head, or an eagle with a mezuzah on its nest. Get serious!

Straw man fallacy, hardly a surprise given your ignorance of informal logic, but you dismissed objective research showing that many other species that evolved to live in societal groups, exhibit morality, by making the hilarious unevidenced assumption morality can only be derived from superstition. The real hilarity is that you don't seem to care which superstition, judging from the multiple examples in your claim. Your last pity sentence one would hope, might cause some pause and introspection on your part, if you weren't so utterly closed minded.

Why do humans create imaginary deities and hold to superstitious beliefs?.

Yes they demonstrably do, unless you're claiming all deities are extant, which is pretty idiotic even for religious apologetics?

Why do humans create imaginary deities and hold to superstitious beliefs?. To what end would a creature of the universe commit such a senseless and detrimental act - even an ant, with a fraction of the intellectual capacity of man, would never do such a deranged thing.

You'd have to direct that at those who hold them obviously, but from my experience they usually cite succour and comfort from such superstitions, and they often admit, though not directly, they prefer the vapid idea of a saccharine filled after life to a completely ambivalent an unguided universe.

You're not thinking through any of the assertions that you're making.

Oh I am, I just think your bias and prejudice has blinded you, and any introspection from you, let alone viewing your beliefs with any kind of critical scrutiny is entirely anathema to you, I mean just look at the resentment and aggression in this response to someone who poses a few legitimate questions.

I don't fear your bare claims, but you clearly didn't like being asked to justify them.

 

[Sheldon]

You don't understand atheism - something came from nothing.
Structure and order necessitates design - did you not attend grade 6?

Both claims are false. There are countless examples of structure and order without a designer. And though the universe came from nothing, it is not an impossibility, atheists do not necessarily believe that. In fact that tends to be the belief of crationists.

His response reeked of petulance, and he didn't even pretend to address my objections, just repeated his facile creationist straw man fallacies.

 

[Subduction Zone]

His response reeked of petulance, and he didn't even pretend to address my objections, just repeated his facile creationist straw man fallacies.

Yes, it would be nice if he could do more than spew empty rhetoric.

 

[Sheldon]

Yes, it would be nice if he could do more than spew empty rhetoric.

It would be positively astounding, if my experience of creationists is any marker. Sadly the level of indoctrination creationists employ mean children have their education ruined with this nonsense, as there is no debate between unevidenced creationist myths and species evolution, which is a scientific fact, but even were that not the case, creationism would remain an unevidenced myth. It gains no traction or credence by denying evolution.

 

[rational experiences]

It would be positively astounding, if my experience of creationists is any marker. Sadly the level of indoctrination creationists employ mean children have their education ruined with this nonsense, as there is no debate between unevidenced creationist myths and species evolution, which is a scientific fact, but even were that not the case, creationism would remain an unevidenced myth. It gains no traction or credence by denying evolution.

Lies.

Species Liv Ng according to environmental space heaven factors

God by evolution cooling by ice saviour. Star cold released gases amassing in space not a satanic self burning hot gas release.

Falling star sun owned passing earths irradiating science heating of space.

Earth ignites the asteroid asteroid comes back hits earth as it speeds.

Time shifting speeding hot gas voiding vacuum obtaining evolution cooling.

Hot denser earth heavens giant dinosaur life. Is climatic status not an evolving self life form.

Irradiate our heavens our life forms would all remove their highest body status. Does not make you a new species.

Heavenly status determines type of life forms enabled to exist.

 

[DNB]

Yes I agree, you do seem very closed minded, I must say.



Atheism is in the dictionary, and my atheism reflects the common usage, what you've claimed here is not atheism, nor is anything I believe or have ever claimed. If structure and order necessitate design what designed to more structed and ordered designer? The assumptions creates either infinite regress or a special pleading fallacy.

I also addressed this straw man once already, read it again and try a candid response that actually addresses what I said, and not your prejudiced views of atheism and atheists.



No I did not attend grade 6, I don't even know what it means, as I'm not from the US, I do however now what an ad hominem fallacy is, and what using means, and your posts suggest you are ignorant of this. Of course one can't fail to notice the hilarity of your petty insult, alongside the particularly bigoted and iodic claims you've asserted about atheism. So thanks for the belly laugh.



Straw man fallacy, hardly a surprise given your ignorance of informal logic, but you dismissed objective research showing that many other species that evolved to live in societal groups, exhibit morality, by making the hilarious unevidenced assumption morality can only be derived from superstition. The real hilarity is that you don't seem to care which superstition, judging from the multiple examples in your claim. Your last pity sentence one would hope, might cause some pause and introspection on your part, if you weren't so utterly closed minded.



Yes they demonstrably do, unless you're claiming all deities are extant, which is pretty idiotic even for religious apologetics?



You'd have to direct that at those who hold them obviously, but from my experience they usually cite succour and comfort from such superstitions, and they often admit, though not directly, they prefer the vapid idea of a saccharine filled after life to a completely ambivalent an unguided universe.



Oh I am, I just think your bias and prejudice has blinded you, and any introspection from you, let alone viewing your beliefs with any kind of critical scrutiny is entirely anathema to you, I mean just look at the resentment and aggression in this response to someone who poses a few legitimate questions.

I don't fear your bare claims, but you clearly didn't like being asked to justify them.

Atheism leads to something came from nothing, was the point, ...but, you digress so much, i can't remember why it was stated.
When referring to animals, I specifically stated morality and religion. Animals do not protest injustices nor legislate laws, so knock your nonsense off about their moral aptitude.
Your not thinking your assertions through - why does man act in manner that defies his intellect (this one's really going to confuse you)

 

[Sheldon]

Atheism leads to something came from nothing, was the point,

No it doesn't, that's an asinine assertion.

but, you digress so much, i can't remember why it was stated.

Your posts do seem very confused.

When referring to animals, I specifically stated morality and religion. Animals do not protest injustices nor legislate laws, so knock your nonsense off about their moral aptitude.

Humans are animals, and other species that have evolved to live in societal groups have also evolve the ability to differentiate between moral and immoral behaviour. Your petulant demand is pretty funny, but this is a public forum, if you don't want to read what others post then don't, seeeemples.

Your not thinking your assertions through

Your is a possessive pronoun, not an abbreviation of you are, and your bare assertion show you're not able to think on any objective level here.

why does man act in manner that defies his intellect (this one's really going to confuse you)

Given your demonstrable penchant for doing that, perhaps some introspection is called for on your part.