chinu
chinu
What made you think he doesn't ?
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God is the one who's creating all the things that you see all around you.
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, we all get that and that you only accept answers that suits you. In effect you are one of those who can't accept cognitive relativism.
chinu
chinu
What unreasonable you found. Its you who talked about aliens. I didn't.Still just dodging an answer - perhaps because you can't reasonably answer?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Maybe God created you as a Boltzmann Brain?!!
Yes, not think I would have noticed. I gave an example of another reason rather than God as to why we get what we see. Please explain how we might tell the difference? Otherwise I might be tempted to believe the aliens did it - and are a lot more friendly than any god depicted perhaps.
Or even more competent. Given that our religious beliefs seem to cause as much mayhem as they do for good.
chinu
chinu
Whatever, at least you started thinking -- God created something,
Not a real God, not a being with objective existence. If I'm wrong, point out which real being is God. As I may have said, a photo would help.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Please give us an objective description of real and not a subjective rule in your mind.
I've told you many times before ─ to be objectively real is to be in nature, the world external to the self which we know about through our senses.
To which I responded. I used to be a primary teacher, and it was a similar challenge to the one kids would give each other.
Like...my dad is tougher than your dad.
Is not.
Is too.
Etc.
I could have gone with 'I know you are, but what am I?' I suppose.
So...how do you respond to my response?
You said '
God is the one who's creating all the things that you see all around you.'
I said 'No he isnt'.
Traditionally, this would be where you say that of course he is, and put forth some evidence. Or a personal revelation. Or...well...almost anything other than avoidance, really.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
That is not real. Now the problem in your model is that "that is not real", yet it is real that I can do it and a part of nature. So that is not real is a real part of nature.
You are in effect using a one factor explanation for all of nature.
You in effect: One
Me: I can play that game too; two.
Why do you think that its NOT your duty to search the objective ?
Do you think it's possible that the opposite might be true? Maybe we have a duty to not search the objective? After all, if God created all this around us - but then makes himself invisible and elusive - maybe he doesn't want anyone to find him or even to look for him. Maybe we're just supposed to live our lives and pretend as if God doesn't even exist.
Why do you believe we have a duty to search for God? There's nothing self-evident or implied about our existence which would indicate that.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
It's an immaterial product.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Because then the question arises -- who created the aliens ?
Who created god?
(special pleading in 3.... 2..... 1.....)
chinu
chinu
Because we want to know the purpose of our life, and every time we fail to find it, and at the end we look for God's help. Isn't ?
We look for God's help. Isn't ?
What, the world external to the self doesn't exist? I can't show you that it does ─ I'd have to assume it does before I could start ─ but I can show you from your own words and deeds, including posting here, that you act exactly as if it does.
By that I mean that things that only exist as concepts or imaginings in individual brains without an objective counterpart don't satisfy the concept of 'real'.
ElishaElijah
Return
Can’t speak about experience with imaginary beings, don’t entertain such things. Although there is an invisible spiritual realm.
“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.”
Colossians 1:15-16 ESV
chinu
chinu
Interesting question, isn't ? Why DON'T you find God in the first place -- and then ask him this question ?
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
I don't look for any god's help any more then I look for the help of santa or extra-dimensional unicorns.
I don't tend to appeal or invoke things I don't even believe to be real.
Sounds like you are not even able to imagine how it is like to not believe in your god.
Consider how you feel about Thor or Quetzalcoatl or Extra-dimensional unicorns. Consider which context, if any, would make you appeal to them or invoke them.
My guess is, that there is no such context.
Now realize that your god to me, looks exactly like those extra-dimensional unicorns look to you.