Atheists have faith.

[Truthseeker]

something that is believed especially with strong conviction especially : a system of religious beliefs

Especially religious beliefs, but I do believe atheism is believed by some with strong conviction, though probably not most.

It depends on the person, but some atheists are evangelistic:

Definition of evangelism

1: the winning or revival of personal commitments to Christ
2: militant or crusading zeal

 

[Truthseeker]

We don't have faith "in" anything we don't believe exists.

If you have a strong conviction that God doesn't exist, that could be construed as faith by some. However, I don't know if you have a strong conviction that God doesn't exist.

In my experience atheists often say there is no evidence that God exists, therefore since there is no evidence God exists, they adopt the null hypothesis that God doesn't exist. It has to be proven.

 

[Truthseeker]

Likewise, I don't have faith to believe in a deity because the reality I understand it doesn't involve beings/deities/entities that has a hand in creating the universe. I see the opposite.

What evidence do you have that God didn't create the universe? Note: I am not saying I can prove to you that God created the universe. Proving the existence of God by science is unreliable. The opposite is also true.

 

[Truthseeker]

By the way, if you try to claim that faith is evidence for your beliefs you will probably fail as badly as Christians have done when they made that claim.

I certainly don't make that claim.

 

[rational experiences]

Humans living have human experiences.

Science claims it can describe all things yet experiments it builds machines hoping the machine works...experimental anyway.

Sometimes the machine works.

God is not his machine.
God is not his machine action.

As humans control tell the machines what to cause.

Science cannot discuss God as human thinking does which is a theism only.

Why a theist says you don't have proof of God as it is just a human thought.

So next they look at a human experience yet human is the contact

They use machines today claiming contact human I will have it. Are not contacting God.

A human said God contacted them.

The argument a human is only experiencing the condition to either their body or mind.

Is said stated by the scientist for his scientist self. Science tells science it won't prove God.

As it is not said for the natural human who owns having had an experience.

As it is only science that argues science for it or against science.

When science says prove God....it never will as your machine is not God.

 

[Truthseeker]

For example, how many times have we seen the false equivalence that atheist have faith in science, so they're no different from theists who have faith in God.

I have faith in both. What I don't like to see is for those who adhere to science to insist the standards of science to prove God. It must all be proven in public view, perhaps with a peer paper.

 

[Truthseeker]

Wrong, this in itself is devotion to humanity, no god needed to be a decent, caring human being

Devotion to humanity is an element of devotion to God. Serving mankind is what God wants. If you care about human beings, you are manifesting an attribute of God.

 

[Truthseeker]

Is having a real faith in pink unicorns, etc. really the exercise of faith/confidence or credulity.
What else would a Christian use except a 'loaded' (complete) Bible.
Meaning: using Scripture as Jesus did as being religious truth, Not at biblical gun point.
An overly zealous person does Not make the Bible as wrong, just makes the person over reacting.
An English teacher would use English books, a Science teacher would use science books, a history teacher would use history books, a math teacher would use math books so what else would a Christian use but a Christian book aka Bible.

It depends how you use the Bible.

 

[John53]

Especially religious beliefs, but I do believe atheism is believed by some with strong conviction, though probably not most.

It depends on the person, but some atheists are evangelistic:

Definition of evangelism

1: the winning or revival of personal commitments to Christ
2: militant or crusading zeal

True. There are radicals in every group. Fortunately they are usually the minority.

 

[Tiberius]

What evidence do you have that God didn't create the universe? Note: I am not saying I can prove to you that God created the universe. Proving the existence of God by science is unreliable. The opposite is also true.

I think you are misunderstanding the burden of proof.

I could say to you, "I don't believe that there is an invisible, intangible elephant in my living room." If you were a believer in the invisible, intangible elephant, it would still not be valid for you to say, "What evidence do you have that invisible intangible elephant isn't in your living room?"

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I'm curious to know what religion you think atheists have...

The religion of no religion.

That would be another OP, but I will not be going there.

Regards Tony

 

[ChristineM]

Devotion to humanity is an element of devotion to God. Serving mankind is what God wants. If you care about human beings, you are manifesting an attribute of God.

No, devotion to an imaginary being only works if you believe in an imaginary being and put you imagination ahead of humanity

How do you know what your god wants. I am betting he/she/it wants exactly the same as you.

 

[ratiocinator]

The religion of no religion.

Looks like an oxymoron to me. What do you mean?

That would be another OP, but I will not be going there.

You all but accused atheists of having religious faith (#299) - you really should be prepared to back that up, IMO.

 

[Dropship]

..Who is rejecting Jesus? Baha'is believe in Jesus and we revere Jesus..

It won't wash at the pearlies mate because when the bouncer asks them "Are you Christians?" and they say "No", he'll tell them "Well you ain't coming in here then, oppit"

It'd be like a Barry Manilow fan trying to get into an Elvis convention-
BOUNCER- "Are you an Elvis fan?"
BM fan- "No but I like him"
BOUNCER- "On yer bike then, we only let true Elvis fans in here"

 

[ChristineM]

It won't wash at the pearlies mate because when the bouncer asks them "Are you Christians?" and they say "No", he'll tell them "Well you ain't coming in here then, oppit"

It'd be like a Barry Manilow fan trying to get into an Elvis convention-
BOUNCER- "Are you an Elvis fan?"
BM fan- "No but I like him"
BOUNCER- "On yer bike then, we only let true Elvis fans in here"

 

[ratiocinator]

It won't wash at the pearlies mate because when the bouncer asks them "Are you Christians?" and they say "No", he'll tell them "Well you ain't coming in here then, oppit"

Baseless assertion.

It's really quite amusing watching different religionists arguing with each other, when neither have the slightest hint of evidence or reasoning to fall back on.

 

[ChristineM]

Baseless assertion.

It's really quite amusing watching different religionists arguing with each other, when neither have the slightest hint of evidence or reasoning to fall back on.

Hence my facepalm.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If you have a strong conviction that God doesn't exist, that could be construed as faith by some. However, I don't know if you have a strong conviction that God doesn't exist.

In my experience atheists often say there is no evidence that God exists, therefore since there is no evidence God exists, they adopt the null hypothesis that God doesn't exist. It has to be proven.

I wasn't raised in a religious environment so if not former friend in HS I'd know nothing of Christianity. I knew more about the bible and going to mass (her church) but because I wasn't introduced to a creator it felt half hearted.

I didn't know what people meant by gods (least the human experience people have in common per being human) until I came on RF.

I'd say I can't put faith in the existence of something without a solid concept or fact of what that something is.

It's actually not an "atheist" thing. Contrary to popular opinion I never heard the word and it's variations until RF.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

What evidence do you have that God didn't create the universe? Note: I am not saying I can prove to you that God created the universe. Proving the existence of God by science is unreliable. The opposite is also true.

This is a logic fallacy. It assumes if I can't explain my view yours is credited.

I wasn't raised belief in a creator and as an adult it's just not part of my reality. So you're asking to give proof for a vague concept Im not even familiar with to even be agnostic about it.

For example, religion shapes people's conception of God. Culture and history helps people make sense of the world around them. People believe in all sorts of things like incarnations and beings and spirits that walk the earth possessing people.

Now that we've passed the age of reason in the western side of things, spirituality is so vague you can't even explain it by religion.

You would need to give proof for something (not one) that exists apart from your experience, your bias, scripture, religion, and interpretation.

It can't be logical fallacies like argument of design, majority rules, and other fallacies.

It has to have a solid description of it's some thing you can prove and not an idea, experience, etc shaped by culture.

If that's impossible, then you understand my point. Concepts of god are shaped by the people and culture that believes and creates it into existence.

Ever wonder why when you ask people about god's nature they say it's a mystery, profound, higher consciousness, beyond human intellect.

Someone independent of humans that we are aware of can be described. But it's all experimental.

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These are my thoughts.

Can you prove there is a creator and it created this universe to someone who has no concept of the abrahamic God (none less bahai?)?

Please?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I have faith in both. What I don't like to see is for those who adhere to science to insist the standards of science to prove God. It must all be proven in public view, perhaps with a peer paper.

It's proven in history, psychology (the need to find purpose), culture (the need to explain by religion, language, practice, and tradition), archeology (connecting our need for religion with human growth and evolution, society patterns, etc), politics (how religion spread regardless the religion and how it influenced the laws and edicts of society).

We can explain the theory of the universe expansion, creation of planets, and evolution if man. Science can say "we don't know."

What is a creator/God?

I know what It does but what is it that creates?