Or watch a film.
Erin Brockovich who now has a net worth of 10 million?
Doesn't sound like she is an anti-capitalist.
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Or watch a film.
The younger generation.... as per my OP. They're up against it though.
The problem is the individual and the politician, not capitalism.
Yet here we are pouring filth into the river.Actually it does. There is the ten thousand people other people involved that have a self interest in clean water.
I assume they could unless we have strict and enforceable laws against polluting sources of drinking water, mandatory regulation of industry, and public health programs.Nakosis said:Ten thousand people is a pretty large collective of self-interest you assume two individuals could work against without consequence or repercussion.
Which has nothing to do with capitalism as an economic system.Yet here we are pouring filth into the river.
I assume they could unless we have strict and enforceable laws against polluting sources of drinking water, mandatory regulation of industry, and public health programs.
Now, in my experience the word for this is government.
Such problems are due to insufficient regulation and government oversight, which capitalists routinely oppose.
If there was a more effective way of weeding out the bad apples in capitalism, then maybe it wouldn't be so bad.
The solution to cleaner water & air isn't switching toWhich has nothing to do with capitalism as an economic system.
Which we have. Doesn't seem to be working. So the answer to fix something that we can see isn't fixing the problem is to have more of it?
The problem is the individual who decided to act according to capitalism.The problem is the individual and the politician, not capitalism.
And the problem with socialism is that the individualThe problem is the individual who decided to act according to capitalism.
The self-interest of ten thousand people poisoned by their drinking water being unable to match the self interest of the handful of people pouring toxins into the water for profit has everything to do with capitalism. It is the ownership of capital and its utility in creating wealth that grants the power to pass the costs of production onto society.Which has nothing to do with capitalism as an economic system.
No, just to do it right and enforce it properly. We have many examples of how this can be done and invariably it begins by placing the public good above profit. Often this works best with the cooperation of the industries in question.Nakosis said:Which we have. Doesn't seem to be working. So the answer to fix something that we can see isn't fixing the problem is to have more of it?
Capitalism allows for and even requires to cut costs in order to maximize profit (for the capitalist). I.e. someone who doesn't pollute if it saves costs, is a bad capitalist. So, yes, capitalism has greed as its prime directive and corruption as a direct consequence.Which has nothing to do with capitalism as an economic system.
What of people sickened & killed from Chernobyl, whichThe self-interest of ten thousand people poisoned by their drinking water being unable to match the self interest of the handful of people pouring toxins into the water for profit has everything to do with capitalism.
In a democratic socialism (or social democracy), you are the people and you can influence politics with your vote.And the problem with socialism is that the individual
doesn't get to act....the people decide for you.
What if you don't like their decision? Tough titties.
What's your alternative to capitalism...somethingCapitalism allows for and even requires to cut costs in order to maximize profit (for the capitalist). I.e. someone who doesn't pollute if it saves costs, is a bad capitalist. So, yes, capitalism has greed as its prime directive and corruption as a direct consequence.
Despite being a raging commie, I actually largely agree with that.The solution to cleaner water & air isn't switching to
a failed economic system like socialism. It's to have
useful environmental regulations.
Fans of socialism & communism erroneously presume
that these systems are inherently wise & just...always
accomplishing the right goals. But they're run by the
same species of hominid, so governmental regulation
is still necessary. And as history shows, the results
are universally dismal compared to capitalism.
Merely declaring it to be "for the people" doesn't make it so.In a democratic socialism (or social democracy), you are the people and you can influence politics with your vote.
In capitalism, money decides politics.
Perhaps you're not really a commie at all.Despite being a raging commie, I actually largely agree with that.
Something new. We have tried "communism" and it didn't work. We tried capitalism and we see that it doesn't work. (Some see it, others bury their heads in the sand because they fear new things.)What's your alternative to capitalism...something
with a better historical record?
Not everyting bad is capitalism and not everything good is its absence.What of people sickened & killed from Chernobyl, which
was noble socialism's carelessness about pollution.
Agreed.Revoltingest said:No economic system inherently protects people & the
environment. People & their government must value
such protections....whatever economic system they have.
You propose eliminating capitalism?In a democratic socialism (or social democracy), you are the people and you can influence politics with your vote.
In capitalism, money decides politics.