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Eat the Rich

Discussion in 'International Politics' started by Secret Chief, Sep 20, 2021.

  1. Stevicus

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    I disagree. The effect of greed is that it views everyone as the enemy. I didn't say it was the same as hatred in that there's an object of scorn. Greed is more rooted in narcissistic, selfish indifference to others, which may even be more harmful than hatred.
     
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    I would say that Douglas was portraying a character who was emblematic of capitalist attitudes.

    Another character who reminds me of a typical capitalist was the unnamed character played by Alec Baldwin in Glengarry Glenross.
     
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    When liberals play capitalists, they'll be a stereotype that
    pleases anti-capitalists. Tis best to not form views of
    anyone based upon movies & TV shows. After all...
    you don't form your views of socialists by watching
    The Hanoi Hilton. But Chernobyl might be a good
    exception to understand the USSR.
     
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    What about John Galt?
    Ok, every one hates that character. :oops:
     
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    Actually I've seen similar personality types much of my life, especially when I used to work in a bourgeois hotel which catered to capitalists. The film industry and those who work in it are also very capitalist. Maybe actors might embellish the part a bit, but the same basic sentiment is rather common. Even liberals have shown scorn and disdain towards the lower classes and others they see as "less successful" than they are. You've seen how they deride "hillbillies," right? Same basic attitude.

    As for how socialists are portrayed, it depends. I never did see The Hanoi Hilton, so I might check it out. I was going to watch Chernobyl but never got a round tuit.

    Socialism is perhaps best portrayed by the United Federation of Planets. Earth is a paradise.
     
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    Absolutely. Likewise, capitalism has a pretty patchy record when you look at the economic state of many places where the power of private wealth dominates.

    That said, if I am being honest I should also say that when I think of the best we can do, right now with where we are in our development, it would look more like America in terms of economic freedom than the Soviet Union.
     
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    It's a really good program.
     
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    They're not a socialist organization....more like the UN.
    BTW, Section 21 is the authoritarian arm of the UFP.
     
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    So the issue of environmentalism isn't solved with adopting
    this or that economic system. It's the people steering
    government to achieve such goals.
     
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    Right now, yes.
     
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    Right always, yes.
     
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    My opinion is that if we're going to compare capitalist vs. socialist states, then at least one should make a more complete comparison than simply comparing America to the USSR.

    List of socialist states - Wikipedia

    According to Wikipedia, these states are considered socialist:

    China
    Cuba
    Laos
    Vietnam
    Algeria
    Portugal
    Bangladesh
    Eritrea
    Guinea-Bissau
    Guyana
    North Korea
    India
    Nepal
    Nicaragua
    Western Sahara
    Sri Lanka
    Tanzania

    I'm not sure about Portugal or India, as I wouldn't have expected them to be on the list.

    However, that would mean that all remaining states must, by default, be considered capitalist.

    Now, we can look at the 25 poorest countries in the world, and find that only two socialist countries (listed above) are on that list:

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    Mapped: The 25 Poorest Countries in the World | Business Insider Africa

    The bottom 10 poorest countries on the planet are ALL capitalist countries, and it's pretty clear that they are far worse off than socialist countries such as Cuba or North Korea.

    It's also interesting that 20 years of US occupation didn't help Afghanistan get out of the bottom 10.

    All in all, I would say this presents a more balanced picture, rather than the patriotic chest-thumping Americans who crow "Ha ha! We have it better than North Korea!"
     
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    You mean Section 31? Wasn't that created before the Federation and existed in the shadow of Star Fleet Command?

    But things like that exist in every government, just like every government has a police and fire department.
     
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    That's the one.
    I thought "21" sounded odd.
     
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    Which is pretty impossible in a system where money talks louder than people.
     
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    Ok. That's a fair point.
     
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    Blaming money is easier than blaming voters who show
    in the primaries & elections that they've little interest in
    ending wars & protecting the environment. They reject
    the "fringe" candidates with values they claim to support,
    & instead go with the status quo.
     
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    Where would you prefer to live if you were homeless and destitute?
     
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    Somewhere warm I guess.
     
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