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Knowing God or thinking we know and understand God

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
This could be said for anything. I haven't experienced this thread in a way that is provable. I haven't experienced the plants around my patio in a way that is provable.

Experiences are, by definition, subjective.



Since we're discussing signs, I was walking through the mall foraging for incense, and saw as sign in Forever 21's window that said "vegan leather." I'm guessing it was a sign from God since the lady that worked there couldn't tell me what "vegan leather" was. We agreed when I left that it's leather from a cow that didn't eat meat or imbibe any animal products, including milk. I'm still left wondering what a vegan cow eats as a calf...
Experiences are subjective yes. And I am only able to answer this kind of question that arises in this thread from my own experience, which means my answer may not be right for others, and in time I might answer differently according to If my own understanding has changed :) I know for sure I do not hold the best answer to all these questions because I am myself trying to understand the teaching i believe in.

So the OP is not saying that Conscious thoughts has the answer to it all :)
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I'm sure you can. I won't stop you.

No guarantees anyone will recognize you as such (unless you acknowledge @Rival as your master/teacher, then it's in the bag, I think).
I don't have a teacher within me since I am my self a student of the path :) But I am happy to be to some kind of help to other people
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
Allah is the right one for me, that does not mean it is so for others. The teaching is Sufism may not be what others need to find God.
Sorry, I really don't understand that :)

According to you are these true gods equal to that of Allah?

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If you don't believe that these gods are real, then those people believing in these must obviously be wrong according to you. Its not a trick question or me trying to "expose" you. But wouldn't you agree, from a logical point of view, that when you say that Allah is the right God for you, and according to Islam there is only one god, then based on your beliefs, people that choose to not to believe in Allah, is not believing in anything you would consider real.
Its simply impossible, but you are right, that Allah might not be the God for them, but in that case, based on your beliefs they might as well believe in a picture of some spirit animal, because that would be as real as these gods. Because they won't find Allah through these gods, its in direct conflict with Islam and Christianity for that matter etc.

I am not sure. And yes in my understanding God does care about every single human being, but God has also given guidelines on how to get back to heaven, and if ego takes over for a human being, they will experience suffering,
Again, Hindus do not believe in Heaven or Hell, so how would they get there? If Allah is the only God, then clearly the Hindus got it all wrong and it apparently doesn't seem to concern him, that they do not believe in him. I hope you see the conflict here?

What does the wrong God mean? Wrong to who? :)
I hope the above illustrate it, it is wrong for everyone that do not share that belief. Again as I started by saying in the first post, and you asked if it was a trick question:

Good point, also how can you all know what God is thinking or what he meant, if you believe in different ones?

Because its no different from any other religious person, if they do not believe in Allah, then obviously they think you are believing in a wrong God. Which is why I ask how everyone can know what God is thinking when they believe in different ones, because it conflict with each other.

Remember that this is only my own understanding of how religion and God can be experiences, it is not an answer set in stone, that what I answered is the only true answer, if I thought that I would be telling lies.
I understand that, but we do agree that there are some things set in stone in some of these religions. Like in Islam there is one God, Jesus were a prophet etc. Muslims doesn't disagree on these things. Same with Christianity, there might be discussions about whether the holy trinity is true or not, but there is only one God.

But I think its interesting when you write this:
Allah is the right one for me, that does not mean it is so for others.

For you does it matter if you believe in the right God or not? Because you seem to express, that everyone can find there own way to God or Allah, through whatever god or religions they like, as long as it works for them?
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
If God is of our own making, which I believe any God we interact with is, then who other than ourselves would know this God?

Thats begging the question Nakosis. You have already given your ultimate conclusion with your "IF" in the beginning of the sentence, which is "no God".

The OP is theologically and Islamically correct and comes from the Islamic view that you cannot know God. So the question "IF God is our own making" does not compute from that point of view.
 
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