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Texas Law Banning Abortion After About Six Weeks Takes Effect

ecco

Veteran Member
To ban abortions that are from rape pregnancies is cruel and barbaric, in my opinion.

To compound the situation...
The Texas Governor was asked why there were no provisions for rape. His reply...

Gov. Greg Abbott Says Texas Aims To 'Eliminate All Rapists From The Streets' While Defending Abortion Law
“Texas will work tirelessly to make sure that we eliminate all rapists from the streets of Texas by aggressively going out and arresting them and prosecuting them,” Abbott said.
That is an incredibly idiotic statement, but not surprising considering who made it. He has been Governor of Texas since 2015. I guess in the intervening years whenever considered making Texas safer for women by eliminating "all rapists from the streets of Texas".
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
To compound the situation...
The Texas Governor was asked why there were no provisions for rape. His reply...

Gov. Greg Abbott Says Texas Aims To 'Eliminate All Rapists From The Streets' While Defending Abortion Law
“Texas will work tirelessly to make sure that we eliminate all rapists from the streets of Texas by aggressively going out and arresting them and prosecuting them,” Abbott said.
That is an incredibly idiotic statement, but not surprising considering who made it. He has been Governor of Texas since 2015. I guess in the intervening years whenever considered making Texas safer for women by eliminating "all rapists from the streets of Texas".
Oh boy, okay then, problem solved!
Whew!
o_O
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
To compound the situation...
The Texas Governor was asked why there were no provisions for rape. His reply...

Gov. Greg Abbott Says Texas Aims To 'Eliminate All Rapists From The Streets' While Defending Abortion Law
“Texas will work tirelessly to make sure that we eliminate all rapists from the streets of Texas by aggressively going out and arresting them and prosecuting them,” Abbott said.
That is an incredibly idiotic statement, but not surprising considering who made it. He has been Governor of Texas since 2015. I guess in the intervening years whenever considered making Texas safer for women by eliminating "all rapists from the streets of Texas".
Republicans just get stupid with rape. I mean, it's not surprising given how challenged they are with women (like sending all men to a discussion panel on women's health issues), but they get just as dumb gets or frighteningly zealous about it. Like the King Dumb-Dumb (R) who said when a woman is raped her body has a mechanism to shut the whole pregnancy thing down so it doesn't happen. Or back during the height of the Tea Party, when senate hopeful Richard Mourdock (of Indiana) said that when a rape results in pregnancy it's a "beautiful thing" and "God's will." He sunk his own ship that was expected to have an easy win to Washington, but I fear today he may have still won.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
That makes it murder to me. Islamic law comes first.
That's all fine & dandy as far as Islamic law is concerned, but national law is what I was dealing with. In some countries, both match.

In the Christian scriptures, abortion is not referred to directly but may be implied to the point that most denominations do accept that it is indeed the taking of human life, thus we are directed to "choose life". But here in the States, we do not have a state religion per the 1st Amendment, thus "murder" cannot be applied to the issue of abortion here because it is legal.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
If you want to claim that a fetus is "human" life then the burden of proof is upon you. Right now the law disagrees with your personal feelings that you do not seem to be able to support with proper arguments. Have you even looked into the history of abortion? It was not until the later 19th century that early term abortions were thought to be as being wrong by Christians. Like many changes there appear to have been various motives for opposing abortion. The Bible itself does not oppose abortion. In fact one of the most quoted verses to oppose it actually support it. I will see if you end up quoting that verse.

This one?
Psalm 139:13-16
“For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.”
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Sometimes there surfaces a sliver of hope from the most unusual places.
The Texas abortion law maybe challenged according to a Constitutional precedent thanks to a little bar in Massachusetts, Grendel's Den.

And in 1982, in fact, in an 8-1 decision authored by the chief justice, the United States Supreme Court sided with the bar, they sided with Grendel`s Den. Nothing against the church, of course, but the Supreme Court ruled that Massachusetts had crossed into unconstitutional territory when it, quote, delegated to private nongovernmental entities a power normally invested in agencies of government. The court said by doing that, the law substituted the church`s own views, whatever they may be and regardless of what they`re based on, the church substituted the church`s own motivations to act, quote, for the reason decision making of a public legislative body acting on evidence and guided bystanders on issues with significant economic and political implications.

In other words, nobody has got a right to have a liquor license. That was not what was at issue here. What was at issue here was that the government, the state, can`t let some random entity, a church, a school, some other private entity make that decision. It`s a governmental decision. You cannot delegate it to a private entity to make that determination for its own purposes. That is standing Supreme Court precedent from 1982, again, 8-1 decision.

Today, the very published, very famous Harvard Law professor who took that Grendel`s Den case back in the day, who took it all the way into the United States and won today, that professor, his name is Laurence Tribe, has sort of set off a flare warning that the Texas abortion ban that the U.S. Supreme Court let pass into law last week, he said that`s basically the Grendel`s Den case all over again.

Quote: As with the Massachusetts liquor law, the Texas abortion law delegates quintessentially governmental power to private parties. But this time, it`s a state delegating authority to a church, who decides who gets a liquor license, this time the state delegating authority to -- as he puts it, quote -- literally anyone on earth with an objection to abortion, giving that individual or organization the unilateral and unfettered power to inflict punishment on whoever assists a woman in terminating a pregnancy.

Laurence Tribe says that Supreme Court precedent that he pursued and won in 1982, the way he won that case for that bar in Cambridge can be the undoing of the Texas abortion ban as well. Now, how exactly it has to go for that strategy to work, who has to bring the lawsuit and when and against whom? That itself is obviously very important to this as a strategy.
Transcript: The Rachel Maddow Show, 9/7/21 (msnbc.com)
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
This one?
Psalm 139:13-16
“For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.”
No, that one is rather neutral. It neither supports or opposes abortion. I was talking about one where most translations of it changed after Roe v. Wade.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Man this is such a backwards country.

Let's say you get pregnant. Willingly or otherwise. You can be fired in most states because you're an at-will employee and a lot of companies don't want to make even the slightest accommodation for pregnant women. You no longer have your insurance. Now let's say you have a miscarriage, or the childbirth goes slightly more poorly than usual. (After all, childbirth kills hundreds of women every year in the US--double the next high income country--and seriously injures hundreds of thousands more)
The ensuing medical cost can be hundreds of thousands of dollars, especially if it has further bleeding or infection complications that require hospitalization. You are now in major debt and dealing with long term medical problems.
If you had a miscarriage, in many states someone can sue you or you can be arrested on suspicion of causing it, and some *** who reported you can make 10k.

But yeah, pregnancies are just an 'inconvenience' for women.

Misogyny in 31 flavors.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Let's say you get pregnant. Willingly or otherwise. You can be fired in most states because you're an at-will employee and a lot of companies don't want to make even the slightest accommodation for pregnant women.
This is slightly off. Yes, pregnant woman can be fired. (So can
whites, blacks, Asians, etc.) But it would violate federal & state
anti-discrimination laws to fire her for that reason.
Employers must be very careful when firing someone in a
protected group. Lacking strong documentation for a legal
reason to fire, & without trying to accommodate employee
needs can get very expensive when sued.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
This is slightly off. Yes, pregnant woman can be fired. (So can
whites, blacks, Asians, etc.) But it would violate federal & state
anti-discrimination laws to fire her for that reason.
Employers must be very careful when firing someone in a
protected group. Lacking strong documentation for a legal
reason to fire, & without trying to accommodate employee
needs can get very expensive when sued.
Yes, that we have antidiscrimination laws but then make it ridiculously easy to discriminate without getting caught is another reason this is a stupid country.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yes, that we have antidiscrimination laws but then make it ridiculously easy to discriminate without getting caught is another reason this is a stupid country.
My experience & that of other managers I know is that this is
far from something easy to do. Many companies, eg, IBM,
keep employees that they should fire, but the "optics" would
make it very costly.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
There was some idiot Texas politician I heard state there would be no reason for a exemption in the case of rape because there will be no more rape in Texas,
Abbott responded with a plan that, absent a mere second of serious consideration, makes perfect sense: Simply eliminate rape.

“Rape is a crime,” Abbott said, “and Texas will work tirelessly to make sure that we eliminate all rapists from the streets of Texas by aggressively going out and arresting them and prosecuting them and getting them off the streets.”

Greg Abbott Proposes Eliminating Rape to Quell Abortion Ban Concerns - Rolling Stone
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
There was some idiot Texas politician I heard state there would be no reason for a exemption in the case of rape because there will be no more rape in Texas,
Abbott responded with a plan that, absent a mere second of serious consideration, makes perfect sense: Simply eliminate rape.

“Rape is a crime,” Abbott said, “and Texas will work tirelessly to make sure that we eliminate all rapists from the streets of Texas by aggressively going out and arresting them and prosecuting them and getting them off the streets.”

Greg Abbott Proposes Eliminating Rape to Quell Abortion Ban Concerns - Rolling Stone
So, logically those two "geniuses" must be intentionally allowing rapist to thrive in Texas up until that announcement.
 
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