Texas Law Banning Abortion After About Six Weeks Takes Effect

[anna.]

Do you actually believe that a woman should have a choice in being pregnant?

I don't mind answering your question, as long as you understand your question isn't related to what I'm saying to ecco. I'm talking about terminology alone with him. His is an old, but lame argument.

Having said that: I am pro-life but believe in changing minds over changing laws. What's happening in Texas is going to backfire mightily on the GOP, it's dystopian and unconstitutional.

 

[tytlyf]

To refer to an expectant woman as not a mother is a definite sign on how severely today's society has become cognitively hobbled and crippled.

So you think a woman who's pregnant refers to themselves as a mother?
Does the 'mother' title come when a fetus feels pain or before?
Is conception enough to earn the 'mother' title?

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't mind answering your question, as long as you understand your question isn't related to what I'm saying to ecco. I'm talking about terminology alone with him. His is an old, but lame argument.

Having said that: I am pro-life but believe in changing minds over changing laws. What's happening in Texas is going to backfire mightily on the GOP, it's dystopian and unconstitutional.

I hate it when wimins is reasonable & thoughtful.
It just ruins many of my stereotypical jokes on RF.

 

[anna.]

To refer to an expectant woman as not a mother is a definite sign on how severely today's society has become cognitively hobbled and crippled.

It's a way to disassociate oneself from the act of ending the expectant life. It's not surprising, I can understand from a psychological standpoint why it's done, but I'm gonna push back every time.

 

[Kooky]

I don't mind answering your question, as long as you understand your question isn't related to what I'm saying to ecco. I'm talking about terminology alone with him. His is an old, but lame argument.

Having said that: I am pro-life but believe in changing minds over changing laws. What's happening in Texas is going to backfire mightily on the GOP, it's dystopian and unconstitutional.

So you'd rather women carry out abortions than to force them to carry a pregnancy to term, correct?
How do you think that position is compatible with the idea that abortions are literally baby murder?

 

[Debater Slayer]

I don't mind answering your question, as long as you understand your question isn't related to what I'm saying to ecco. I'm talking about terminology alone with him. His is an old, but lame argument.

Having said that: I am pro-life but believe in changing minds over changing laws. What's happening in Texas is going to backfire mightily on the GOP, it's dystopian and unconstitutional.

I appreciate your sharing your viewpoint both as a woman (since I believe the most relevant input on abortion is women's) and as someone who opposes abortion but refuses the usage the force of law to do so.

Cheers.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So you think a woman who's pregnant refers to themselves as a mother?

Women that want to bear a fetus to term use that phrase. I have never heard a woman that wanted or needed an abortion use that phrase.

 

[tytlyf]

Women that want to bear a fetus to term use that phrase. I have never heard a woman that wanted or needed an abortion use that phrase.

I do hear people say "soon you're gonna be a mommy!"

 

[Twilight Hue]

It's a way to disassociate oneself from the act of ending the expectant life. It's not surprising, I can understand from a psychological standpoint why it's done, but I'm gonna push back every time.

I support abortion up to a point, but I will never view it as something akin to going to a doctor and having a boil removed.

Fetuses today have essentially become the equivalent of boils now with some people. The humanity is removed.

Expecting Mother of a child? Definitely yes.


Expecting Mother of a boil? Hell no.

I think it all lays on how people view the fetus that creates the divide on what motherhood is or is not.

 

[anna.]

So you'd rather women carry out abortions than to force them to carry a pregnancy to term, correct?
Do you think that position is compatible with the idea that abortions are literally baby murder?

I'd rather women didn't get abortions. Some will, but the rate of abortions has been dropping so steadily for so long that we're back down to pre-1973 levels. I personally have not, and would not get an abortion even if I became pregnant as the result of rape because the baby deserves a chance at life. But I don't think the genie can be put back in the bottle, either. I don't like the idea of women being forced to do anything, and I understand the power dynamic at work here, and I struggle with it. But I'm also tired of people pretending that abortion isn't also about someone else's body besides hers.

 

[anna.]

I'm fully on board with this:

Website hosting service GoDaddy Inc on Friday said it will terminate services for the owner of an anti-abortion website that allows people to report suspected abortions in response to a new Texas law that imposes a near-total ban on abortion.

"Last night we informed prolifewhistleblower.com they have violated GoDaddy's terms of service and have 24 hours to move to a different provider," the company said in a statement.

 

[crossfire]

Oh gee whiz! The legal definition of mother is a woman who has borne a child.
Crimeny!

 

[Wildswanderer]

Oops! Was that a Freudian slip on your part? Did you just acknowledge that a pregnant woman is going to have a baby. GOING TO as in the future.

A pregnant woman is carrying a fetus.

Sounds like a slip on your part, admitting that he is already a baby.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'd rather women didn't get abortions. Some will, but the rate of abortions has been dropping so steadily for so long that we're back down to pre-1973 levels. I personally have not, and would not get an abortion even if I became pregnant as the result of rape because the baby deserves a chance at life. But I don't think the genie can be put back in the bottle, either. I don't like the idea of women being forced to do anything, and I understand the power dynamic at work here, and I struggle with it. But I'm also tired of people pretending that abortion isn't also about someone else's body besides hers.

I think the whole issue requires two perspectives.

One from the Mother and the other from the fetus itself. Although it obvious that the mothers perspective is much easier to access between the two.

There needs to be an agreement on the line where humanity properly begins for a fetus and the humanity when a fetus is going to be destroyed and discarded or repurposed.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Do you think its mother is to blame?

That would depend on the circumstances.
The point is, a baby isn't a piece of trash to throw away or a parasite. He's a miracle.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I do hear people say "soon you're gonna be a mommy!"

And again, that is when there is intent. A person that wants to have a child will be happy that she is pregnant. A person that is going to have an abortion, not so much.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'm fully on board with this:

Website hosting service GoDaddy Inc on Friday said it will terminate services for the owner of an anti-abortion website that allows people to report suspected abortions in response to a new Texas law that imposes a near-total ban on abortion.

"Last night we informed prolifewhistleblower.com they have violated GoDaddy's terms of service and have 24 hours to move to a different provider," the company said in a statement.

It would have gone much better if the reporting mechanism was removed.

That's why I think it was terminated and it's a good reason they did that.

Otherwise I support the freedom of having views pro and con on everything made available and in public.

Just don't use it to directly rat on people.

 

[crossfire]

I think the whole issue requires two perspectives.

One from the Mother and the other from the fetus itself. Although it obvious that the mothers perspective is much easier to access between the two.

There needs to be an agreement on the line where humanity properly begins for a fetus and the humanity when a fetus is going to be destroyed and discarded or repurposed.

Can we agree that the mother at least retains the bodily autonomy that we give to corpses?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Can we agree that the mother at least retains the bodily autonomy that we give to corpses?

It is best not to use prejudicial language. She is not a mother until a child is delivered.

 

[crossfire]

It is best not to use prejudicial language. She is not a mother until a child is delivered.

Borne: to carry. example: mosquito-borne disease.
See post #192 for legal definition of mother.