Another Anti-Vax Radio Talk Show Host Dies from Covid

[Unveiled Artist]

I've read hundreds and hundreds of your posts, and I honestly cannot make much sense out of what you think, why you think it. But what does seem clear is that you have decided that the medical profession -- on the subject of vaccination -- is clearly decades behind your wisdom.

I've never voluntarily taken vaccines to really care about them. If not for the pandemic, it wouldn't bother me nonetheless. I'm not a virologist and not interested in medicine, so. I know some who are still chose not to take the vaccine so appeal to ignorance really doesn't work. Both sides can be just as ignorant and make decisions for themselves and others and suffer the consequences of those decisions.

It's not a side issue, that's the difference.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I've never voluntarily taken vaccines to really care about them. If not for the pandemic, it wouldn't bother me nonetheless. I'm not a virologist and not interested in medicine, so. I know some who are still chose not to take the vaccine so appeal to ignorance really doesn't work. Both sides can be just as ignorant and make decisions for themselves and others and suffer the consequences of those decisions.

It's not a side issue, that's the difference.

But you do admit that your choice is made basically in ignorance. You're "not a virologist" and "not interested in medicine," yet your posts speak to people who are maybe confused, maybe don't know where to turn -- and if you say something that "resonates," you might just sway them in the wrong direction.

I'd prefer, frankly, if you're going to pontificate on the subject of vaccination (or any other frankly medical response to a pandemic), that you do it from the standpoint of KNOWLEDGE, and let your own ignorance inform ONLY your own actions.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

But you do admit that your choice is made basically in ignorance. You're "not a virologist" and "not interested in medicine," yet your posts speak to people who are maybe confused, maybe don't know where to turn -- and if you say something that "resonates," you might just sway them in the wrong direction.

No. I admit I'm not a specialist in any field so if I need to determine if a said medicine, vaccine, or treatment is worth taking, I go to my doctor since he knows more than I know. All I can do is really assess my risks, my symptoms (if I had any), and just do what layman do. Unless it's serious (which in my circumstance its near non-existence), I don't put too much worry into it.

Appeal to ignorance just doesn't work. I'm not an expert.

May be confused? I just said that both sides can be ignorant and make vaccine choices based on that ignorance. For example, fear makes people make irrational decisions, peer preasure, things like "because the experts say so" can get people to run.



On more practical reasons to vaccinate is if people are taking care of older loved ones, career field, and how much in contact they have with people.

Sway who???

Provaxxers? That's like saying I want to sway someone I don't even know to not take their diabetic medication because I don't have high risk of diabetes to be concerned over taking it. Or telling someone not to take their seizure meds because my seizures are under control.

Unless I misunderstood you, that's rediculous.

I'd prefer, frankly, if you're going to pontificate on the subject of vaccination (or any other frankly medical response to a pandemic), that you do it from the standpoint of KNOWLEDGE, and let your own ignorance inform ONLY your own actions.

You judging me and you don't even KNOW me.

BUT

I did read your story and did comment with facts, so obviously you didn't want to discuss just insult more.

Evangelicalhumanist It's hard to take you seriously if all you want to do is belittle everything I say.

 

[We Never Know]

No. I admit I'm not a specialist in any field so if I need to determine if a said medicine, vaccine, or treatment is worth taking, I go to my doctor since he knows more than I know. All I can do is really assess my risks, my symptoms (if I had any), and just do what layman do. Unless it's serious (which in my circumstance its near non-existence), I don't put too much worry into it.

Appeal to ignorance just doesn't work. I'm not an expert.

May be confused? I just said that both sides can be ignorant and make vaccine choices based on that ignorance. For example, fear makes people make irrational decisions, peer preasure, things like "because the experts say so" can get people to run.



On more practical reasons to vaccinate is if people are taking care of older loved ones, career field, and how much in contact they have with people.

Sway who???

Provaxxers? That's like saying I want to sway someone I don't even know to not take their diabetic medication because I don't have high risk of diabetes to be concerned over taking it. Or telling someone not to take their seizure meds because my seizures are under control.

Unless I misunderstood you, that's rediculous.



You judging me and you don't even KNOW me.

BUT

I did read your story and did comment with facts, so obviously you didn't want to discuss just insult more.

Evangelicalhumanist It's hard to take you seriously if all you want to do is belittle everything I say.

Fact is unless someone here on the forum is a virologist, then its all opinions being posted. Whether biased opinion, uneducated opinion, educated opinion, personal opinion, etc.
Unless the person is a virologist, its opinion.

 

[Koldo]

The most retarded thing I have heard is that you cannot think of any way to purchase food without catching Covid.

Good thing I said no such thing then!

 

[Koldo]

Ahhh... but it IS your responsibility to take action for yourself. When you saw that guy get in line without a mask on, yes you could have gotten out of line and stayed 12 ft away from him, waited until the coast is clear and you could remain socially distanced and safe. I don't like this solution any more than you do, and it would be nice if Covid infected people weren't running around with no masks on coughing on people. I'm just pointing out that you could have kept yourself safe even without the compliance of anyone else.

You are incorrect. 12 feet is not the 'you are completely safe' distance. It depends on way too many factors, it is merely good as a rule of thumb.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Fact is unless someone here on the forum is a virologist, then its all opinions being posted. Whether biased opinion, uneducated opinion, educated opinion, personal opinion, etc.
Unless the person is a virologist, its opinion.

Exactly. And even then some doctors scratch there heads.

"We haven't heard that symptom before with that condition"

"We'll," I told them, "the medicine works 100%-I can walk and I can see-so why question it."

I mean I could have said to them since they haven't heard the symptom before I must be wrong... but I knew what my body was saying and doctors (ethical ones) respect that.

Can't do that with doctors on television. We're literally going by what they say and if no one is an expert we can't question their conclusions. I mean I know it's a pandemic but I think because it's so, we need to be a bit more skeptical than anything else-if our lives and others depend on it.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Not gloating.

Well, it's against the rules now, anyway.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not forgetting the 5G masts.

That's what the BioCharger is for.

 

[Revoltingest]

It sounds like whoever this was was just speaking from observation and personal opinion not convincing anyone. I would really need context though.

I don't know who is ever convinced of anything new here.
Nonetheless, I say it's wrong to advocate being unsafe,
whatever the method.

 

[Revoltingest]

I couldn't give this a "conditional Like," since there's no such animal. I like the thought, but can never quite say "I like it," when somebody dies. I'm kind of a "no-fault" guy on that.

You needn't like his death.
But you could recognize the good that it accomplishes.

Death is often for the greater good, eg, Bin Laden,
Pol Pot, John Wayne Gacey, Adolph Schicklgruber.
I neither enjoy nor bemoan these deaths, which
simply made the world better.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I don't know who is ever convinced of anything new here.
Nonetheless, I say it's wrong to advocate being unsafe,
whatever the method.

How I would personally see it is no one should be telling others what is safe for them and what is not. Of course we wouldn't advocate unsafety but each person knows whether they are in danger insofar whether preventive measures are appropriate for one person or not. Of course no one should advocate being unsafe but unless you're stopping someone from getting hit by a car (split second intervention) or discussing precautions with say a loved one, we just don't know if people are thinking of themselves and/or others in the health decisions they make.

It's unsafe going over the speed limit, but if you're on the highway and don't go over or under with the cars, you can get a ticket. Following the rules are fine, but people do think of others just in light of their own actions and intentions ideally not the intentions of others. They deviate from following "the experts" to an extent and if that means not being vaccinated because they are not in public to spread the virus so be.

We just don't know.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

You needn't like his death.
But you could recognize the good that it accomplishes.

Death is often for the greater good, eg, Bin Laden,
Pol Pot, John Wayne Gacey, Adolph Schicklgruber.
I neither enjoy nor bemoan these deaths, which
simply made the world better.

As I said -- a "conditional like." I do get it.

 

[Revoltingest]

How I would personally see it is no one should be telling others what is safe for them and what is not. Of course we wouldn't advocate unsafety but each person knows whether they are in danger insofar whether preventive measures are appropriate for one person or not. Of course no one should advocate being unsafe but unless you're stopping someone from getting hit by a car (split second intervention) or discussing precautions with say a loved one, we just don't know if people are thinking of themselves and/or others in the health decisions they make.

It's unsafe going over the speed limit, but if you're on the highway and don't go over or under with the cars, you can get a ticket. Following the rules are fine, but people do think of others just in light of their own actions and intentions ideally not the intentions of others. They deviate from following "the experts" to an extent and if that means not being vaccinated because they are not in public to spread the virus so be.

We just don't know.

Would you think that saying the vaccines are
more dangerous than Covid is unsafe advice?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Would you think that saying the vaccines are more dangerous than Covid is unsafe advice?

Is it unsafe advice to say vaccines are more dangerous than COVID?

Ill informed advice but only dangerous if people take it as such. I'm sure people can determine fact and opinion-regardless if they are unvaccinated or not.

But then I am (and no one else is) in no position to say what's safe for the other I don't know and hopefully those who hear questionable "advice" would fact check-vaccinated or not.

 

[Revoltingest]

Is it unsafe advice to say vaccines are more dangerous than COVID?

Ill informed advice but only dangerous if people take it as such. I'm sure people can determine fact and opinion-regardless if they are unvaccinated or not.

But then I am (and no one else is) in no position to say what's safe for the other I don't know and hopefully those who hear questionable "advice" would fact check-vaccinated or not.

I detect a "no" answer.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I detect a "no" answer.

Is it unsafe advice to say vaccines are more dangerous than COVID?

(It's) ill informed advice but only dangerous if people take it as such. I'm sure people can determine fact and opinion-regardless if they are unvaccinated or not.

 

[Revoltingest]

Is it unsafe advice to say vaccines are more dangerous than COVID?

To ask a question about a straightforward question seems to sidestep.
I didn't see an answer, but the post appeared to function as a "no".

 

[Unveiled Artist]

To ask a question about a straightforward question seems to sidestep.
I didn't see an answer, but the post appeared to function as a "no".

I had to rephrase it because it was passive question not active. I answered it based off the phrase I posted. Also, my other post answers this too.

"....Of course we wouldn't advocate unsafety but each person knows whether they are in danger insofar whether preventive measures are appropriate for one person or not."

I'd say it's ill-informed advice. But I honestly don't know where you going with this.

Am I supposed to say no?

 

[Revoltingest]

I had to rephrase it because it was passive question not active. I answered it based off the phrase I posted. Also, my other post answers this too.

"....Of course we wouldn't advocate unsafety but each person knows whether they are in danger insofar whether preventive measures are appropriate for one person or not."

I'd say it's ill-informed advice. But I honestly don't know where you going with this.

Am I supposed to say no?

I only ask to give your answer, whatever it is.
You did.