Law and pedophilia

[Unveiled Artist]

Unfortunately non-offending pedophiles usually (but not always) consume porn material, which is illegal in any country.
Not only it is illegal to consume it. This demand for this material creates a horrific marketplace where children are sexually exploited.

I posted a video about a thriller which was all about a pedophile ring led by a professor from the "Fine Rome".

Consuming porn isn't illegal in the states...

but can you (objectively?) connect how the nature of attraction changes based on objects of attraction?

It's the same biological and physiological mechanisms and our neurological responses doesn't tell the difference between the object of attraction-it can be a light pole for all it knows.

That and how does watching sex lead someone to break the law?
What's the connection especially when we watch murder mysteries all the time and never go out to murder just because of a movie.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I cannot and will not empathize with such people.
Since I do not understand how it is possible to feel sex drives towards prepubescents.
Who are not sexual beings

Well, I am in no way an advocate or apologist for paedophilia, and that should be understood, but I would make the point that depicting any human as being 'other' than human, which is often the case regarding paedophiles, is just a ludicrous position. It might be hard to see such individuals as much like us but with a severe flaw, but so many others are in a similar position, but where their attraction/crime is not so obvious or so despicable - given that children do tend to be naturally the more loved within society.

 

[VoidCat]

Consuming porn isn't illegal in the states

I think they referred to child porn...not adult porn...

 

[Estro Felino]

Consuming porn isn't illegal in the states...

but can you (objectively?) connect how the nature of attraction changes based on objects of attraction?

It's the same biological and physiological mechanisms and our neurological responses doesn't tell the difference between the object of attraction-it can be a light pole for all it knows.

That and how does watching sex lead someone to break the law?
What's the connection especially when we watch murder mysteries all the time and never go out to murder just because of a movie.

Yes, it is illegal in the US.
I meant pedopornography

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I think they referred to child porn...not adult porn...

Oh. Then yeah, it is. But I don't see the connection just as watching murder movies don't leas one to murder.

With the law, I feel it helps to look at things objectively and find logical connections despite our opinions.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think they referred to child porn...not adult porn...

I thought it was obvious. Thanks.

 

[Estro Felino]

Oh. Then yeah, it is. But I don't see the connection just as watching murder movies don't leas one to murder.
.

Because that porn is made with real children.
And that is illegal. Unacceptable.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well, I am in no way an advocate or apologist for paedophilia, and that should be understood, but I would make the point that depicting any human as being 'other' than human, which is often the case regarding paedophiles, is just a ludicrous position. It might be hard to see such individuals as much like us but with a severe flaw, but so many others are in a similar position, but where their attraction/crime is not so obvious or so despicable - given that children do tend to be naturally the more loved within society.

It was not my intention to dehumanize anybody.
Why is there so much ignorance about the topic?

Because pedophiles do not let others try to understand why they feel what they feel.
They don't seek help. They hide.


Scientists try to analyze them. If they were born that way, it means they can't help it.
I have read somewhere that many of them were not abused as children. So it does not deal with the victim-perpetrator cycle, and it is not always a learnt behavior.
I am not a scientist...but I think there are endocrinological and neurological issues that make them believe they are still children. So they are attracted to their equals.

 

[Rival]

Because that porn is made with real children.
And that is illegal. Unacceptable.

There is though the (legally) dicey issue of minors in hentai. Obviously real children are not used there because it is a cartoon, but it's anime porn depicting, usually teenage schoolgirls, minors nonetheless. It may seem weird but plenty of grownups watch this.

Morally I think this kind of porn is garbage but the law doesn't use morality like we do.

 

[Mock Turtle]

It was not my intention to dehumanize anybody.
Why is there so much ignorance about the topic?

Because pedophiles do not let others try to understand why they feel what they feel.
They don't seek help. They hide.


Scientists try to analyze them. If they were born that way, it means they can't help it.
I have read somewhere that many of them were not abused as children. So it does not deal with the victim-perpetrator cycle, and it is not always a learnt behavior.
I am not a scientist...but I think there are endocrinological and neurological issues that make them believe they are still childeen. So they are attracted to their equals.

From what I understand, only about a quarter might have experienced abuse as children, and for me, it is more likely down to innate characteristics (predisposing them to such) and/or early environment/experiences that might cause such an attraction - and not being some innate sexual orientation. Whether they offend or not, they should still be treated much like those with a mental health disorder (with compassion), and where research into this issue is likely the only way to get anywhere, given that illegal child imagery has grown rather alarmingly over the last few decades and that punishment doesn't seem to be a solution. Not all labelled as paedophiles have any contact with children also.

I've mentioned before a few books that tried to get into the minds of paedophiles (garnered from interviewing those on paedophile forums), but it might be rather obvious as to why they are not likely to come into the spotlight, given the level of hate generally directed towards them. And I think that 'paedophile' hardly captures all the spectrum of what might exist out there, but in the press it often does.

PS I have seen Cantor's views before, and it still seems to boil down to whether the brain changes occurred before or after the individual became enmeshed with paedophilia - that is, caused by, or resulted from.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Because that porn is made with real children.
And that is illegal. Unacceptable.

How does what one watches always effect what one chooses to do (whether legal or not)?
For example, if you watch a murder movie does that influence you to go out and kill?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well, I am in no way an advocate or apologist for paedophilia, and that should be understood, but I would make the point that depicting any human as being 'other' than human, which is often the case regarding paedophiles, is just a ludicrous position. It might be hard to see such individuals as much like us but with a severe flaw, but so many others are in a similar position, but where their attraction/crime is not so obvious or so despicable - given that children do tend to be naturally the more loved within society.

Oh, please! None of this "sympathy for pedos" crap. Certain groups are "othered" by society for very good reasons, which protect society and demonstrate clear boundaries for what is acceptable. Do you have sympathy and compassion for serial killers?

 

[Mock Turtle]

Oh, please! None of this "sympathy for pedos" crap. Certain groups are "othered" by society for very good reasons, which protect society and demonstrate clear boundaries for what is acceptable. Do you have sympathy and compassion for serial killers?

Still being selective with your empathy then?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Still being selective with your empathy then?

I save it for those who don't want to rape children, for one! Who gives a **** about someone who wants to rape? Why would I empathize with a rapist? I'm only concerned about getting rid of them from society or controlling them.

 

[Rival]

I save it for those who don't want to rape children, for one! Who gives a **** about someone who wants to rape? Why would I empathize with a rapist? I'm only concerned about getting rid of them from society or controlling them.

I think the issue is how can we better stop them, because driving them into the shadows clearly hasn't worked. At least if we had more in therapy/on a medical list we'd know who they are.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I think the issue is how can we better stop them. because driving them into the shadows clearly hasn't worked. At least if we had more in therapy/on a medical list we'd know who they are.

I agree that they should be on some sort of list.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I save it for those who don't want to rape children, for one! Who gives a **** about someone who wants to rape? Why would I empathize with a rapist? I'm only concerned about getting rid of them from society or controlling them.

Well you are still just reacting to the term 'paedophile' as if this describes what your mind envisages - when it doesn't actually coincide. Just to be factual. if you truly wanted to solve a problem than a solution might be appropriate, and yours isn't one. Given that about 80% or so of incidents feature family members or those known to the victim. So, breaking up families is the best way? You are just reacting as most people do, and naturally, but where more insight is needed.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well you are still just reacting to the term 'paedophile' as if this describes what your mind envisages - when it doesn't actually coincide. Just to be factual. if you truly wanted to solve a problem than a solution might be appropriate, and yours isn't one. Given that about 80% or so of incidents feature family members or those known to the victim. So, breaking up families is the best way? You are just reacting as most people do, and naturally, but where more insight is needed.

Don't try to condescend to me like I'm a moron. I can't stand patronizing attitudes. I had relatives who were pedos. If they're abusing children - yes, "break up" the family!

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

How does the object of attraction determine the nature of the attraction and whether it's an addiction for some and not for others?

How much does it matter if someone is addicted to some sexual behavior wherein all the parties involved are deemed capable of giving their consent to be in on it in the first place? Not too much, in my opinion.

In other words, a consenting adult person addicted to sex with other consenting adult persons doesn't pose a problem to a greater portion of society. But a person whose mind cannot release the idea of having sex with children poses a threat too great to ignore, in my opinion.

A person addicted to that kind of behavior/thinking/etc. is the person whose addiction we should care about. Not the sexual addictions of consenting adults. If sex-addicted consenting people want to not seek help for their "addictions" it makes little to no difference in any of the lives involved. An "addicted" pedophile, however? That is danger beyond anything you could possibly even remotely cite as "danger" coming from a sex-addicted, otherwise normal adult person.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

If sex-addicted consenting people want to not seek help for their "addictions" it makes little to no difference in any of the lives involved.

Well, except if they're destroying families and spreading diseases.