Young Hillsong Church congregant who mocked vaccine dies of COVID

[Shadow Wolf]

Exactly and so the narrative that the unvaccinated are at fault is coming from where?

The fact that where we find low rates of vaccination we are seeing significantly higher rates of infection.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Yes, even those under 18 have fallen seriously ill with some dying. Not nearly as many, but saying they "weren't at risk" is not based on facts or reality.

It was no different than any other flu season for that age group.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It was no different than any other flu season for that age group.

No, it wasn't, and you forgot this part.

And did you forget they can spread it as well? Get it at school and bring it home? What about adult staff at schools?

 

[ElishaElijah]

No, it wasn't, and you forgot this part.

When looking at the data over 60 were the most vulnerable. Even the vaccination rates correspond to that. Most vaccinations have happened for those most vulnerable.
So we shut down the whole Country instead of taking precautions for those over 60 and most were probably retired.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

When looking at the data over 60 were the most vulnerable. Even the vaccination rates correspond to that. Most vaccinations have happened for those most vulnerable.
So we shut down the whole Country instead of taking precautions for those over 60 and most were probably retired.

Most at risk doesn't mean the only ines at risk. And they aren't the only high risk group. Those with certain preexisting conditions as well have the deck stacked against them. But even the young and healthy fall chronically and seriously ill and die.
Amd, again, you ignore people getting the virus amd passing it around, including to those most vulnerable.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Most at risk doesn't mean the only ines at risk. And they aren't the only high risk group. Those with certain preexisting conditions as well have the deck stacked against them. But even the young and healthy fall chronically and seriously ill and die.
Amd, again, you ignore people getting the virus amd passing it around, including to those most vulnerable.

I didn’t forget about that, the young and healthy weren’t affected much different than a normal flu season. Common sense precautions are all we needed, not shutting down the Country.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I didn’t forget about that, the young and healthy weren’t affected much different than a normal flu season. Common sense precautions are all we needed, not shutting down the Country.

That "common sense" thing has failed so many people it's absurd to still tout it.
And, yeah, it's worse than the flu. Those comparisons failed a lot of people.
How hard is it to compare countries that complied and see how much better they did than countries that didn't like America? We could have gotten through this with little death and illness like New Zealand. But people insisted "common sense" and did "what's best for me" and called it a flu and it lead to America sharing a disproportionately high rate of infection and death.

 

[ElishaElijah]

That "common sense" thing has failed so many people it's absurd to still tout it.
And, yeah, it's worse than the flu. Those comparisons failed a lot of people.
How hard is it to compare countries that complied and see how much better they did than countries that didn't like America? We could have gotten through this with little death and illness like New Zealand. But people insisted "common sense" and did "what's best for me" and called it a flu and it lead to America sharing a disproportionately high rate of infection and death.

Common sense is understanding how Covid 19 works and applying measures along those lines. For example early treatments before vaccines should’ve been implemented and made known instead of suppressed. This would’ve saved a lot of lives and hospital visits.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Amd, again, you ignore people getting the virus amd passing it around, including to those most vulnerable.

Not ignoring this but looking at the kids and parents would be ages 0-18 for the kids and their workings parents 25-40. No way should we have closed down the Country. We could’ve stayed open and dealt with Covid. The most vulnerable should’ve been advised to protect themselves and taken more precautions than the rest of the population.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Common sense is understanding how Covid 19 works and applying measures along those lines. For example early treatments before vaccines should’ve been implemented and made known instead of suppressed. This would’ve saved a lot of lives and hospital visits.

The one's that worked weren't suppressed.
And do you know how covid works? Young or old, healthy or frail, it spreads like wildfire and loves to mutate. It leaves many with chronic illness and organ damage.
And preventative care is the best care. There is no way around this. Vaccines are great preventative care.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not ignoring this but looking at the kids and parents would be ages 0-18 for the kids and their workings parents 25-40. No way should we have closed down the Country. We could’ve stayed open and dealt with Covid. The most vulnerable should’ve been advised to protect themselves and taken more precautions than the rest of the population.View attachment 53628

Then we would have topped 1,000,000 deaths, and had weeks and weeks and months of worse than a 9/11 death toll every day.
And, again, this idea of segregating people doesn't work. No one exists in a vacuum.

 

[ElishaElijah]

@Shadow Wolf
Thanks for your perspective and I’m done now on this thread. All the best to you

 

[SkepticThinker]

That’s not true, the article you posted referencing your sentiment doesn’t use that language. What appears to be happening is the vaccines aren’t performing like we had hoped with vaccinated people still not immune and now it’s the blame game.

It's true.

The unvaccinated are the ones spreading the variants that could eventually render the current vaccine useless. The unvaccinated are the ones currently filling hospital ICUs across the US and the ones who are dying. And don't forget, vaccines aren't 100% effective.

P.S. It would be great if you'd actually address the totality of my posts instead of butchering them and only responding ton a single sentence.

 

[SkepticThinker]

They can spread the virus too. I mean those who aren't exempt.

Can they choose without being misinformed... if not, how do you "know"?

If the rest of us act responsibly and get vaccinated, we could probably reach herd immunity, which would also help protect those who can't get vaccinated.

Do you have a problem with VAERS and the data they collect about vaccines?
Established in 1990, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is a national early warning system to detect possible safety problems in U.S.-licensed vaccines. VAERS is co-managed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). VAERS accepts and analyzes reports of adverse events (possible side effects) after a person has received a vaccination. Anyone can report an adverse event to VAERS. Healthcare professionals are required to report certain adverse events and vaccine manufacturers are required to report all adverse events that come to their attention.

VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences to CDC and FDA. VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem, but is especially useful for detecting unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse event reporting that might indicate a possible safety problem with a vaccine. This way, VAERS can provide CDC and FDA with valuable information that additional work and evaluation is necessary to further assess a possible safety concern.

Yes. As I told you before, VAERS is not a good source of reliable information, as most haven't even been verified.

The CDC says as much on the VAERS page. I guess you missed it.

Remember when I pointed out that a doctor, in an attempt to make a point, reported that an influenza vaccine had turned him into the Incredible Hulk. Well, VAERS gave him a payout. It was only when they finally called him to verify his report, that they asked him for permission to remove his "complaint" from their files.

 

[SkepticThinker]

When looking at the data over 60 were the most vulnerable. Even the vaccination rates correspond to that. Most vaccinations have happened for those most vulnerable.
So we shut down the whole Country instead of taking precautions for those over 60 and most were probably retired.

That data has since changed. People under 50 and even 40 are now getting it.

Also, I find your position kind of disgusting. Like, people over 60 are just throwaways or something.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If the rest of us act responsibly and get vaccinated, we could probably reach herd immunity, which would also help protect those who can't get vaccinated.

I can see that. I have reservations about herd immunity. I'm actually serious with my question. Those exempt can spread the virus too.

Since provax excuse the exempt it sounds more of a political issue. Meaning you guys are downing people for their choice as if there choices increase the chances of infection.

Are they finding ways so that no one is exempt?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Also, I find your position kind of disgusting. Like, people over 60 are just throwaways or something.

What’s disgusting is you insinuating that my position is anyone is a throwaway. Actually that’s the narrative of the liberals for people that don’t agree with them.

 

[ElishaElijah]

The CDC says as much on the VAERS page. I guess you missed it.

I didn’t miss that and posted the purpose of VAERS because people like yourself are unable to comprehend or have an honest conversation with people that have a different viewpoint than you do.
Not sure how you can say that you’re responsible when you can’t even understand what people are communicating on a forum and decide to lie about them instead.

 

[ElishaElijah]

The unvaccinated are the ones spreading the variants that could eventually render the current vaccine useless.

Well if the current vaccine is that limited, you aren’t immune after taking the vaccine then why are they calling it a vaccine? Everyone is saying how effective and great it is, well my natural immunity is proving to be much better.

 

[metis]

Not ignoring this but looking at the kids and parents would be ages 0-18 for the kids and their workings parents 25-40. No way should we have closed down the Country. We could’ve stayed open and dealt with Covid. The most vulnerable should’ve been advised to protect themselves and taken more precautions than the rest of the population.View attachment 53628

The Delta Variant has changed this significantly as it is now far easier and deadlier to get covid, and most patients now being admitted into ICU's are under 60 with a significant increase of teens nd children getting it.

We were warned this could happen, and now it has. The next big concern is a new variant emerging whereas the vaccines may not work, and this falls well into the realm of possibility.