Jose Fly
Fisker of men
This isn't about "Trump's power"; this is about the Jan 6 insurrection and who participated in it.
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I thought it was antifa/BLM?
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Then I don't understand.
What specific list of people is growing....
- Those who've been arrested?
- Those still favoring insurrection?
- Trump supporters, all of whom you're labelling as insurrectionists?
And I was one of those evil Uncle Tom minorities who voted for him in 2020.
But I heard that all his voters were by white supremacists.And I was one of those evil Uncle Tom minorities who voted for him in 2020.
Could it be that there was some prejudice & demonization
by his more fervent foes?
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
The list of Trump supporters who participated in the insurrection. Duh.
I think that's obvious. There was in uptick in people for running for state and local elections, as Republicans, who were minorities and had no previous political experience - black, Latino and Asian. The Latinos and Asians tended to be either immigrants themselves or raised by immigrants. There's multiple examples of just that in Ohio.
When things are vague, I ask.The list of Trump supporters who participated in the insurrection. Duh.
Spluh.
BTW, from my perspective, I hate to see Republicans gain in power.
I also hate to see Democrats gain in power.
(Yes, I'm a hater.)
I don't like either of them, either. But the Republicans seem to allow more ideological diversity at this point. I can't see myself voting for a Democratic presidential candidate for the foreseeable future. Local Dem candidates, sure. I don't vote by party there. I vote for the candidate themselves, and if I think they have good ideas and a good background.
I could vote for a candidate in any major party...& have....
Dem, Pub, & Lib. It all depends upon the likely effects I'd
expect from each candidate winning office. It's not just
about the one I agree with the most.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Capitol Rioter’s Lawyer Argues a Slap on the Wrist Would ‘Heal’ the Nation
I guess "law and order" and "personal responsibility" are for other people.
"As hundreds of his fellow MAGA rioters stormed all corners of the Capitol on Jan. 6, Paul Hodgkins headed straight for the Senate chamber.
After walking among the desks once inhabited by lawmakers certifying the presidential election—before being forced into hiding—the 38-year-old Florida man took off his protective eye goggles and snapped a selfie before joining his fellow insurrectionists.
That photograph led to Hodgkins’ February arrest after an acquaintance tipped off the FBI—and his eventual decision to strike a plea deal with prosecutors. Now, his defense lawyers are arguing their “kind” client does not deserve prison time for his one felony count.
And in an unreal turn of events, his attorneys are arguing that a lenient sentence on July 19 for the Tampa resident would actually “heal” the nation.
“This case is the story of a man who represents all that we would want in our fellow Americans,” defense attorney Patrick Leduc argued in a sentencing memo to Judge Randolph D. Moss. “It is the story of [a] man who for just one hour on one day, lost his bearings and his way.”
“A sentence that provides Paul Hodgkins ‘charity’ would go a very long way toward healing a nation in dire need of seeing what undeserved ‘grace’ looks like,” Leduc added.
The claim is among a series of head-scratching arguments made in the 32-page sentencing memo, including the declaration that “Hodgkins should not be cancelled.”
After walking among the desks once inhabited by lawmakers certifying the presidential election—before being forced into hiding—the 38-year-old Florida man took off his protective eye goggles and snapped a selfie before joining his fellow insurrectionists.
That photograph led to Hodgkins’ February arrest after an acquaintance tipped off the FBI—and his eventual decision to strike a plea deal with prosecutors. Now, his defense lawyers are arguing their “kind” client does not deserve prison time for his one felony count.
And in an unreal turn of events, his attorneys are arguing that a lenient sentence on July 19 for the Tampa resident would actually “heal” the nation.
“This case is the story of a man who represents all that we would want in our fellow Americans,” defense attorney Patrick Leduc argued in a sentencing memo to Judge Randolph D. Moss. “It is the story of [a] man who for just one hour on one day, lost his bearings and his way.”
“A sentence that provides Paul Hodgkins ‘charity’ would go a very long way toward healing a nation in dire need of seeing what undeserved ‘grace’ looks like,” Leduc added.
The claim is among a series of head-scratching arguments made in the 32-page sentencing memo, including the declaration that “Hodgkins should not be cancelled.”
I guess "law and order" and "personal responsibility" are for other people.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
DoJ: Reinstatement talk may drive Trump fans to violence
I have a bad suspicion that as it becomes increasingly obvious that Trump won't be reinstated, some of these people are going to try and pull off another attack.
"The Justice Department said this week that former President Donald Trump’s claims that he’ll be reinstated to the White House could fuel more political violence from his supporters...
...Federal prosecutors brought up Trump’s rhetoric this week in one of the US Capitol riot cases.
The rioter, Marine Corps veteran Alex Harkrider, asked a judge to discontinue his GPS tracking and remove his ankle monitor. The Justice Department opposes this request, saying Trump’s rhetoric could inspire Harkrider to become violent in the future. Harkrider has pleaded not guilty.
“Former President Trump continues to make false claims about the election, insinuate that he may be reinstalled in the near future as President without another election, and minimize the violent attack on the Capitol,” prosecutors wrote in the filing. “Television networks continue to carry and report on those claims, with some actually giving credence to the false reporting.”
Prosecutors continued, linking Trump’s rhetoric to the Capitol rioter’s case: “The defendant in this case is not a good candidate to be out in the community without electronic monitoring to ensure the safety of the community and the safety of democracy in the current environment.”
...Federal prosecutors brought up Trump’s rhetoric this week in one of the US Capitol riot cases.
The rioter, Marine Corps veteran Alex Harkrider, asked a judge to discontinue his GPS tracking and remove his ankle monitor. The Justice Department opposes this request, saying Trump’s rhetoric could inspire Harkrider to become violent in the future. Harkrider has pleaded not guilty.
“Former President Trump continues to make false claims about the election, insinuate that he may be reinstalled in the near future as President without another election, and minimize the violent attack on the Capitol,” prosecutors wrote in the filing. “Television networks continue to carry and report on those claims, with some actually giving credence to the false reporting.”
Prosecutors continued, linking Trump’s rhetoric to the Capitol rioter’s case: “The defendant in this case is not a good candidate to be out in the community without electronic monitoring to ensure the safety of the community and the safety of democracy in the current environment.”
I have a bad suspicion that as it becomes increasingly obvious that Trump won't be reinstated, some of these people are going to try and pull off another attack.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Pizzeria Owner Mounts Truly Bizarre Defense for Jan. 6 Riots
There's more bizarre stuff in the article. But yeah....she seems nice.
A Pennsylvania woman who allegedly stormed the Capitol and told a police officer to “bring Nancy Pelosi out here now… we want to hang that f***g b***h” has filed court documents claiming to be a divinely empowered entity immune from laws.
Pauline Bauer, a Pennsylvania pizzeria owner, is accused of multiple counts of violent entry, disruptive conduct, and obstruction of Congress after she allegedly broke into the Capitol on Jan. 6. Prosecutors allege that Bauer tried organizing buses to transport people to D.C. for a rally that preceded the riot, and that while in the Capitol rotunda she told police that she wanted to kill House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
Bauer has demanded to represent herself in court, appeared to threaten a court clerk with prison time, and declared herself a “self-governed individual” with special legal privileges.
Pauline Bauer, a Pennsylvania pizzeria owner, is accused of multiple counts of violent entry, disruptive conduct, and obstruction of Congress after she allegedly broke into the Capitol on Jan. 6. Prosecutors allege that Bauer tried organizing buses to transport people to D.C. for a rally that preceded the riot, and that while in the Capitol rotunda she told police that she wanted to kill House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
Bauer has demanded to represent herself in court, appeared to threaten a court clerk with prison time, and declared herself a “self-governed individual” with special legal privileges.
There's more bizarre stuff in the article. But yeah....she seems nice.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
A father and son, who are current and former Florida police officers, have been charged with joining alleged Proud Boys associates in the Capitol riots - The Washington Post
A father and son, who are current and former Florida police officers, and a North Carolina man have been charged with joining alleged Proud Boys members in the Jan. 6 Capitol riots, according to a new, five co-defendant indictment unsealed in Washington on Friday.
Kevin “Tito” Tuck, 51, and Nathaniel A. Tuck, 29, of central Florida were arrested and released on $25,000 unsecured bond Thursday by a U.S. magistrate judge in Tampa, court records show.
Edward George Jr. was also arrested Thursday and was scheduled to appear in federal court Friday in Raleigh, according to court records.
The charges bring the number of off-duty law enforcement officers charged in the Capitol mob to at least 20, and the defendants’ ties to several central Florida police agencies highlight the continued pressure on sheriffs and police chiefs nationwide to scrub their ranks of members with links to white supremacist and far-right armed groups.
Of more than 530 arrests, prosecutors also have now charged at least 37 members or associates of the Proud Boys, a group that has a history of violence.
Kevin “Tito” Tuck, 51, and Nathaniel A. Tuck, 29, of central Florida were arrested and released on $25,000 unsecured bond Thursday by a U.S. magistrate judge in Tampa, court records show.
Edward George Jr. was also arrested Thursday and was scheduled to appear in federal court Friday in Raleigh, according to court records.
The charges bring the number of off-duty law enforcement officers charged in the Capitol mob to at least 20, and the defendants’ ties to several central Florida police agencies highlight the continued pressure on sheriffs and police chiefs nationwide to scrub their ranks of members with links to white supremacist and far-right armed groups.
Of more than 530 arrests, prosecutors also have now charged at least 37 members or associates of the Proud Boys, a group that has a history of violence.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
FBI arrests Arizona man who was dressed as Book of Mormon figure during insurrection at U.S. Capitol (sltrib.com)
Seems an odd choice for a member of antifa or BLM, eh?
An Arizona man who was dressed as Captain Moroni — a figure in the Book of Mormon — during the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol has been arrested.
According to an FBI affidavit, Nathan Wayne Entrekin, 48, of Cottonwood, Ariz., “stood out from the crowd due to the outfit he chose to wear … in part because of the temperature, and in part because of the unique nature of the costume.”
Entrekin is seen in online videos explaining his actions. “I am here to represent that, the Mormon element.” And he goes on to suggest that a Utah senator is an “infiltrator.”
“‘Cause a lot of people are like Mitt Romney. … There’s a lot of infiltrators in our nation, in our capitol, in our churches. I think Mitt Romney might be one of those people. They have sold out to the system.”
In a video that “appears to have been taken” the night of Jan. 6, Entrekin says, “I am for Trump and for ... making sure that everything is done correctly as far as the elections and everything.”
According to an FBI affidavit, Nathan Wayne Entrekin, 48, of Cottonwood, Ariz., “stood out from the crowd due to the outfit he chose to wear … in part because of the temperature, and in part because of the unique nature of the costume.”
Entrekin is seen in online videos explaining his actions. “I am here to represent that, the Mormon element.” And he goes on to suggest that a Utah senator is an “infiltrator.”
“‘Cause a lot of people are like Mitt Romney. … There’s a lot of infiltrators in our nation, in our capitol, in our churches. I think Mitt Romney might be one of those people. They have sold out to the system.”
In a video that “appears to have been taken” the night of Jan. 6, Entrekin says, “I am for Trump and for ... making sure that everything is done correctly as far as the elections and everything.”
Seems an odd choice for a member of antifa or BLM, eh?
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Judge hands down first felony sentence tied to Capitol riot (msn.com)
So 8 months in federal prison (followed by 2 years supervised release) for a guy who pled guilty, had no criminal history, didn't commit any violence, and did community service before sentencing. Seems a little light to me, but not unacceptably so.
It also signals to other defendants who are facing more serious charges and who haven't pled guilty that if they don't win their cases, they're likely looking at several years in federal prison.
A federal judge has handed down the first felony sentence in the Jan. 6 storming of the U.S. Capitol, sending a Tampa man to prison for eight months for obstructing Congress’ effort to tabulate and certify the electoral vote.
The sentence Paul Hodgkins, 38, received Monday for marching onto the Senate floor with a Trump flag during the chaotic Capitol takeover was less than half of what prosecutors recommended, but U.S. District Judge Randolph Moss also turned down the defense’s request that Hodgkins get no prison time.
As he imposed the sentence, Moss said Hodgkins sent a profound and dangerous message by raising the Trump flag by the Senate dais at the hour members of Congress were supposed to be confirming President Joe Biden’s victory
“The symbolism of that act is unmistakable,” the judge said. “In that act, he captured the threat to democracy that we all witnessed that day. … People have to know that assaulting the United States Capitol and impeding the democratic process, even if you don’t come bearing arms, will have consequences.”
The sentence Paul Hodgkins, 38, received Monday for marching onto the Senate floor with a Trump flag during the chaotic Capitol takeover was less than half of what prosecutors recommended, but U.S. District Judge Randolph Moss also turned down the defense’s request that Hodgkins get no prison time.
As he imposed the sentence, Moss said Hodgkins sent a profound and dangerous message by raising the Trump flag by the Senate dais at the hour members of Congress were supposed to be confirming President Joe Biden’s victory
“The symbolism of that act is unmistakable,” the judge said. “In that act, he captured the threat to democracy that we all witnessed that day. … People have to know that assaulting the United States Capitol and impeding the democratic process, even if you don’t come bearing arms, will have consequences.”
So 8 months in federal prison (followed by 2 years supervised release) for a guy who pled guilty, had no criminal history, didn't commit any violence, and did community service before sentencing. Seems a little light to me, but not unacceptably so.
It also signals to other defendants who are facing more serious charges and who haven't pled guilty that if they don't win their cases, they're likely looking at several years in federal prison.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Tampa man, 20, admits intending to block Congress with Oath Keepers in new Capitol riot guilty plea (msn.com)
So even with cooperating and a plea deal, he's still likely to spend time in federal prison.
A Tampa man pleaded guilty Tuesday to joining a “stack formation” of Oath Keepers members and associates who allegedly breached the Capitol on Jan. 6, becoming the latest to cooperate with prosecutors and the first among the formation to specify that he intended to hinder Congress that day using intimidation and coercion.
Caleb Berry, 20, pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy and one count of obstructing an official proceeding.
In a plea deal, prosecutors agreed to request lowering an estimated prison term of 51 to 63 months under federal guidelines for Berry, who has no criminal record and is one of the youngest defendants charged in the Capitol riots, in exchange for his substantial assistance.
U.S. District Judge Amit P. Mehta of Washington accepted the plea after Berry acknowledged that he coordinated plans and discussed the need to bring firearms for Jan. 6 in the nation’s capital with Oath Keepers members.
Caleb Berry, 20, pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy and one count of obstructing an official proceeding.
In a plea deal, prosecutors agreed to request lowering an estimated prison term of 51 to 63 months under federal guidelines for Berry, who has no criminal record and is one of the youngest defendants charged in the Capitol riots, in exchange for his substantial assistance.
U.S. District Judge Amit P. Mehta of Washington accepted the plea after Berry acknowledged that he coordinated plans and discussed the need to bring firearms for Jan. 6 in the nation’s capital with Oath Keepers members.
So even with cooperating and a plea deal, he's still likely to spend time in federal prison.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Capitol Rioter Yells in Court, Tells Prosecutors 'Drop All Charges' or Make 'Counteroffer' (msn.com)
I remember this guy from one of the videos I watched very soon after the insurrection. Once, he saw a Capitol Police officer's nametag and that his last name was Epstein, and started jumping up and down and shouting "Epstein! Epstein! He's an Epstein!" I guess he associated the officer with Jeffrey Epstein and wrapped that into some sort of Qanon narrative.
But that, plus his latest performance in court leads me to conclude.....this guy just ain't right in the head. I wonder if the court has ordered a psychiatric evaluation? That might be warranted.
Zach Alam, an accused Capitol rioter, is looking to represent himself in court and, working as his own attorney, made an offer to the court to drop the charges against him or have prosecutors "make me a counteroffer."
Alam allegedly entered the Capitol on January 6, screamed "f--- the blue" in a police officer's face and smashed the glass pane of the door that Ashli Babbitt attempted to climb through before being fatally shot. Facing 11 charges and more than 40 years in prison, Alam claimed prosecutors would be unable to prove their case, but requested a plea offer anyway.
At Wednesday's hearing, Alam repeatedly said he wanted U.S. Attorney Candice Chiu Wong to offer him a deal and told her to "start doing her job," according to NBC4 Washington reporter Scott MacFarlane. Judge Dabney Friedrich informed Alam that prosecutors weren't required to offer him a deal, but Wong said she was "happy to start that process."
Alam responded that the prosecutor should "consider it requested now" and then made an offer of his own. He told the court that "all charges" against him should be dropped or they could "make me a counteroffer."
Alam allegedly entered the Capitol on January 6, screamed "f--- the blue" in a police officer's face and smashed the glass pane of the door that Ashli Babbitt attempted to climb through before being fatally shot. Facing 11 charges and more than 40 years in prison, Alam claimed prosecutors would be unable to prove their case, but requested a plea offer anyway.
At Wednesday's hearing, Alam repeatedly said he wanted U.S. Attorney Candice Chiu Wong to offer him a deal and told her to "start doing her job," according to NBC4 Washington reporter Scott MacFarlane. Judge Dabney Friedrich informed Alam that prosecutors weren't required to offer him a deal, but Wong said she was "happy to start that process."
Alam responded that the prosecutor should "consider it requested now" and then made an offer of his own. He told the court that "all charges" against him should be dropped or they could "make me a counteroffer."
I remember this guy from one of the videos I watched very soon after the insurrection. Once, he saw a Capitol Police officer's nametag and that his last name was Epstein, and started jumping up and down and shouting "Epstein! Epstein! He's an Epstein!" I guess he associated the officer with Jeffrey Epstein and wrapped that into some sort of Qanon narrative.
But that, plus his latest performance in court leads me to conclude.....this guy just ain't right in the head. I wonder if the court has ordered a psychiatric evaluation? That might be warranted.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Capitol Riot: Injuries and trauma still plague police officers involved - The Washington Post
Jan. 6 certainly was no "tour group". As the trials of the insurrectionists begin to take place, it's important to not lose sight of exactly what happened that day, how violent it was, and what the insurrectionists' intent was.
More than six months after Police Sgt. Aquilino Gonell battled the mob that stormed the Capitol, he remains hobbled, a hand scarred, a shoulder aching, recovering from surgery to an injured foot that swelled so large it no longer fit his shoe.
The 42-year-old Capitol Police officer and Army reservist is also seeing a therapist to help with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), first diagnosed after he served in the war in Iraq.
He said bouts of anxiety returned after his battle on American soil in the Jan. 6 riot.
“I can be fine now and see or hear something and next thing I get tears and get emotional,” said Gonell, who was hurt when rioters tried to yank away his ballistic shield, threw a speaker at him, struck him in the face with a pole and sprayed him with chemical irritants.
“I tried to be strong,” he said of the months following the riot. “I tried not to show my emotion.” But once, he said, he retreated to a quiet space at his home in Virginia, away from his wife and 9-year-old son: “I completely broke down.”...
...One Capitol officer who was knocked unconscious and could “barely walk, barely talk” said she was initially told she would be out of work for a week. She was later diagnosed with a concussion and has not yet returned to the job.
A D.C. officer who was hit on the back of the head with a pole and had his head wrenched back when rioters tried to tear off his helmet also has been out with a concussion, and sees a neurologist and two therapists. He said his mind shifts between “anger, confusion, despair,” and between wanting to return to the job and wanting to quit.
The 42-year-old Capitol Police officer and Army reservist is also seeing a therapist to help with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), first diagnosed after he served in the war in Iraq.
He said bouts of anxiety returned after his battle on American soil in the Jan. 6 riot.
“I can be fine now and see or hear something and next thing I get tears and get emotional,” said Gonell, who was hurt when rioters tried to yank away his ballistic shield, threw a speaker at him, struck him in the face with a pole and sprayed him with chemical irritants.
“I tried to be strong,” he said of the months following the riot. “I tried not to show my emotion.” But once, he said, he retreated to a quiet space at his home in Virginia, away from his wife and 9-year-old son: “I completely broke down.”...
...One Capitol officer who was knocked unconscious and could “barely walk, barely talk” said she was initially told she would be out of work for a week. She was later diagnosed with a concussion and has not yet returned to the job.
A D.C. officer who was hit on the back of the head with a pole and had his head wrenched back when rioters tried to tear off his helmet also has been out with a concussion, and sees a neurologist and two therapists. He said his mind shifts between “anger, confusion, despair,” and between wanting to return to the job and wanting to quit.
Jan. 6 certainly was no "tour group". As the trials of the insurrectionists begin to take place, it's important to not lose sight of exactly what happened that day, how violent it was, and what the insurrectionists' intent was.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
Capitol Police Officer Describes Fighting 'Hand to Hand, Inch by Inch' in Jan. 6 Testimony (msn.com)
Capitol Police officer Aquilino Gonell said that he and fellow officers were beaten repeatedly and that he thought he would die. “We fought hand to hand, inch by inch,” he testified.
Mr. Gonell said that he is troubled by any effort to play down the severity of the attack. “There is a continuous and shocking attempt to ignore or try to destroy the truth of what truly happened that day, and to whitewash the facts,” he said.
Mr. Gonell said that he is troubled by any effort to play down the severity of the attack. “There is a continuous and shocking attempt to ignore or try to destroy the truth of what truly happened that day, and to whitewash the facts,” he said.