Bahai's say: Quran is speaking about "the Gospel" which is the "New Testament"

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Bahai's say: Quran is speaking about "the Gospel" which is the "New Testament"

And who listens to Bahai? I thought the Arabian Mohammad was the last prophet. Does Bahai delete Matthew? I think your house is built on a foundation of sand, which is taken from another house built on a foundation of sand. What do the Shia and Sunnis think of Bahai?

I don't think even

 

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And who listens to Bahai? I thought the Arabian Mohammad was the last prophet. Does Bahai delete Matthew? I think your house is built on a foundation of sand, which is taken from another house built on a foundation of sand. What do the Shia and Sunnis think of Bahai?

I don't think even

Thats a more relevant thread for your rant. And you make the same claim they do.

I think your house is made of sand. Wow. Such a scholarly argument.

Not. Go to a relevant thread, and try to make decent scholarship. Try. You might achieve a tad.

 

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Bahai's say: Quran is speaking about "the Gospel" which is the "New Testament"

The "New Testament" is a compilation of witnesses to the testimony of Yeshua, statements from self made prophets, and apostles such as Paul, and commentary. The "gospel" of Yeshua was with regards to the kingdom of God, which like the point often made by the Saudi Mohammad, was the judgment day is at hand. Yeshua's statement was that you had to produce good fruit or face the furnace of fire. The Arabian Mohammad, and the false prophet Paul, preached what you had to do was be a believer in Allah and his prophets. Keep in mind the Aramaic for God was Alllah/Alaha.

 

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Irrelevant. This is not about a translation.

Which verse in the Bible calls him "Yeshua"? Simple question.

Yeshua is the historical name given to the son of Mary. It means Yahweh saves. Jesus is a modern word, and when pronounced in latin, means earth pig. No one in the 1st century spoke English, and no one called Yeshua, Jesus. They did call him "blessed" and king of kings, for which the root of the word Mohammad is "blessed"/"praised". The narrative of Mohammad of Arabia is a compilation of narratives taken by the southern Arabs in the rush to bury the narrative of the northern Arabs. It is all political theatre, mostly produced 2 to 3 hundred years after the death of the supposed Mohammad of Arabia.

 

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The "New Testament" is a compilation of witnesses to the testimony of Yeshua, statements from self made prophets, and apostles such as Paul, and commentary. The "gospel" of Yeshua was with regards to the kingdom of God, which like the point often made by the Saudi Mohammad, was the judgment day is at hand. Yeshua's statement was that you had to produce good fruit or face the furnace of fire. The Arabian Mohammad, and the false prophet Paul, preached what you had to do was be a believer in Allah and his prophets. Keep in mind the Aramaic for God was Alllah/Alaha.

Irrelevant

 

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Yeshua is the historical name given to the son of Mary. It means Yahweh saves.

But not biblical.

 

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Irrelevant

The "New Testament" contains the 4 gospels. The "New Testament" is not the gospel of Yeshua despite what your Bahai may say.

 

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The "New Testament" contains the 4 gospels. The "New Testament" is not the gospel of Yeshua despite what your Bahai may say.

Yeah. The NT contains 27 books in some canons. 29 in another. Another 29 in another. So whats the relevance of that?

So tell me anyway, you claimed that the Quran speaks about "the Gospel" and that's something about Yeshua and the Bible.

1. Which verse calls him "yeshua".
2. Which Gospel is the Quran referring to since it says "Gospel" in the singular? It has to be one single Gospel. So what does your scholarship teach?

Very important questions to support your ideas.

 

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But not biblical.

It kind of depends on what "bible" you have. If you have an Aramaic bible written in Aramaic, it will certainly not say "Jesus Christ" or Isa. And none of the bibles written before the 17th century would say "Jesus Christ", for the letter "J" was a 17th century invention. The Jews of the first century spoke Aramaic. Yeshua spoke to his disciples in Aramaic. Even some of the English translations still preserve some of the Aramaic used, such as Mt 5:22. The same problem exist with the Quran. The Arabic language of the supposed Muhammad did not contain the dots and vowels of the later script, which changed the pronunciation and meaning of the following Qurans. That is why you have over 30 different Qurans, with over 92,000 variants. That is why the Muslims came up with a new canon in 1924, which of course didn't get rid of the over 30 different Qurans. The problem with the canon of 1924 is that that Quran was written over 100 years after the death of "Muhammad", and contained vowels and dots, which can be translated in a different manner than any supposed original.

What was jesus name in aramaic (ccaugusta.org)

 

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It kind of depends on what "bible" you have. If you have an Aramaic bible written in Aramaic,

Yeah. But the older texts of any text of the NT was originally written in Koine Greek. So that's just a bogus statement because you can't answer.

You are wrong about everything. I mean everything.

So you are speaking about another pronunciation. What is the pronunciation in the Koine Greek text of the NT mate?

 

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That is why the Muslims came up with a new canon in 1924,

LIe.

 

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Anyone who reads this thread in the future will see a 100 or more absolutely bogus statements from one single person IF this person says much. Thats a divine prophecy.

 

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The same problem exist with the Quran. The Arabic language of the supposed Muhammad did not contain the dots and vowels of the later script,

See. I know you dont know the language but you can use google in English.

Do you know that in the modern day, no Arab uses "vowels"?

Being an arabic expert you should know this. Ah but your scholarship is "Jay Smith", the man who can't read arabic.

 

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Yeah. The NT contains 27 books in some canons. 29 in another. Another 29 in another. So whats the relevance of that?

So tell me anyway, you claimed that the Quran speaks about "the Gospel" and that's something about Yeshua and the Bible.

1. Which verse calls him "yeshua".
2. Which Gospel is the Quran referring to since it says "Gospel" in the singular? It has to be one single Gospel. So what does your scholarship teach?

Very important questions to support your ideas.

The "gospel" of Yeshua was the kingdom of God, which is much like that of Islam, which is the coming judgment, and the coming king, or in the case of the Muslims, the coming "Mahdi".
The Quran calls Yeshua, Isa ibn Maryam, which means Yeshua/Jesus the son of Mary (Chapter 3 & 9). The original name used during the life of Yeshua, was Yeshua.

 

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The "gospel" of Yeshua was the kingdom of God, which is much like that of Islam, which is the coming judgment, and the coming king, or in the case of the Muslims, the coming "Mahdi".

Didnt answer.

The Quran calls Yeshua, Isa ibn Maryam, which means Yeshua/Jesus the son of Mary (Chapter 3 & 9). The original name used during the life of Yeshua, was Yeshua.

Didnt answer.

So tell me anyway, you claimed that the Quran speaks about "the Gospel" and that's something about Yeshua and the Bible.

1. Which verse calls him "yeshua".
2. Which Gospel is the Quran referring to since it says "Gospel" in the singular? It has to be one single Gospel. So what does your scholarship teach?

Very important questions to support your ideas.

 

[firedragon]

I have found a person who is gonna give a list of bogus scholarship found in Sam Shamoun and Jay Smiths missionary activities. Of course maybe some other quick searches for "anti islam" online.

Lets hear it.

 

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See. I know you dont know the language but you can use google in English.

Do you know that in the modern day, no Arab uses "vowels"?

Being an arabic expert you should know this. Ah but your scholarship is "Jay Smith", the man who can't read arabic.

I guess you are not Arab, because your writing contains both vowels and consonants. The original Arabic of Muhammad had no vowel sound markings in the written script. The present day Quran contains markings to represent vowel sounds. The modern day Arabic contains markings to indicate vowel sounds. Without those markings the consonants can be expressed in a myriad of ways, leading to Babel. The problem with present day Qurans, is that they have different markings, which is to say different meanings.

 

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I guess you are not Arab, because your writing contains both vowels and consonants.

Nope. You are making that up. Lool. I really want to see how many things you are gonna keep making up here and there about things you dont know about.

Let me give you a street sign. Hahaha. Hilarious this is.

Mate. No Arab in the world uses any Harakat. No one needs them. No one uses them. Only the Quran is printed with Harakat for Thajweedh.

Any more??

 

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I have found a person who is gonna give a list of bogus scholarship found in Sam Shamoun and Jay Smiths missionary activities. Of course maybe some other quick searches for "anti islam" online.

Lets hear it.

Is that the same person who confessed that there are many different Qurans, and unlike what Quran the reads, apparently Allah didn't preserve the Quran in a pristine manner.
As for Jay Smith, his doctorial scholarship, with respect to the religion of Islam, seems to be superior to your own. Now as far as his understanding of the "kingdom of God", and his following of the false prophet Paul, in those areas he has problems. Apparently, no one is perfect, although you seem to think you are a prophet, who can prophesizes that I am wrong times 100. At one time in history, the Muslims' had the power to burn, drown, or cut down any contrary opinions, but now we are in the area where sometimes people are required to produce credible evidence.

 

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Is that the same person who confessed that there are many different Qurans, and unlike what Quran the reads, apparently Allah didn't preserve the Quran in a pristine manner.

Haha. Yes. The same person.

Lets see.

As for Jay Smith, his doctorial scholarship, with respect to the religion of Islam

well.. Thats another lie.

His doctoral thesis is on a Christian Evangelists life. Its a life story. Thats his Doctoral Thesis, and that's how he got the Phd. So dont make things up.

He can't read arabic. Just like you. So both of you are bogus scholars.