A proposed solution for Young Earth Creationism

[ElishaElijah]

Much of what you wrote is not observable.

We can observe that you were an addict and that you gave that up after a religious experience. Whether that religious experience was merely a subjective experience or a valid experience of a deity cannot be observed, even by you.

By me, my family and friends its an observable fact that 100% of those people who knew me before and after know that God did this. This is 30 years of life with God, my parents, brothers and sisters, my wife, children have all witnessed what God has done and continues to do. You say that because you haven’t known or experienced God for yourself, I have and that’s what I know.

 

[Tiberius]

There is not changing of the Bible. That remains stationary. What is changed is our understanding of what the Bible is saying. If the divergence is too great then it can be seen that the interpreters of the Bible have gone too far.
Sceptics always claim that interpreters of the Bible go too far to agree with science.
Science is always right even though it keeps changing.
I know that science is not always right and that looking into what happened in the past can be a source of many errors and imo is not real testable and repeatable science anyway.

The trouble is that believers always claim that they have the absolutely right interpretation. When the church said that the earth was the center of the universe, based on their interpretation of the Bible, they claimed to have the correct interpretation.

 

[ElishaElijah]

One of the two rules is in error, right? They cannot both be correct.

There are no errors in the rules, God made different Covenants with people, situations and at different times in history for different purposes.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Much of what you wrote is not observable.

I do agree that God isn’t directly observable but the effects of what He does are observable as in my case.

 

[Valjean]

By me, my family and friends its an observable fact that 100% of those people who knew me before and after know that God did this. This is 30 years of life with God, my parents, brothers and sisters, my wife, children have all witnessed what God has done and continues to do. You say that because you haven’t known or experienced God for yourself, I have and that’s what I know.

They know that you changed. People do change. But neither they nor you know that God did this.

 

[Valjean]

There are no errors in the rules, God made different Covenants with people, situations and at different times in history for different purposes.

I do agree that God isn’t directly observable but the effects of what He does are observable as in my case.

You keep making these assertions; you keep preaching.
You have yet to support any of this. You have yet to give any evidence that any of this is true.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You keep making these assertions; you keep preaching

The list of Scriptures were brought up by a member making the assertion that God made errors in the Bible because of rules. If the question is asked what’s wrong with the answer that God made different Covenants with different rules like what you can eat, wear, etc. You have the Mosaic Covenant with the Israelites coming out of Egypt and then when Jesus Christ shows up He institutes the New Covenant - The New Testament explains why the Old is obsolete. Please don’t ask the question if you don’t want an answer. Don’t respond to my comments if you don’t want to talk about what I’ve experienced and know to be true.
Now with this comment the answer that God made an error should be over, He didn’t make an error and now you know why. Will the false assertion that God made an error end here? Up to you all, will you go search out the different Covenants and see? Or will it end up in more accusations.

 

[night912]

I am a young-Earth creationist. What do you guys think about the idea that God created an aged universe, which is why we see evidence of a very old Earth. On the fourth day of creation, God created the stars. These stars are undeniably millions and billions of light-years away, but it is implied that they were readily visible from Earth on the fourth day. The animals that God placed on the Earth were already fully evolved, but does that mean that a creationist cannot believe in evolution? I think that God created an aged universe, but it's only been in existence for a little more than 6000 years.

If the animals were "fully" evolved, then how many animals were on Noah's ark?

 

[Polymath257]

There are no errors in the rules, God made different Covenants with people, situations and at different times in history for different purposes.

So morality depends on the specific covenant made? it isn't absolute?

 

[Polymath257]

I do agree that God isn’t directly observable but the effects of what He does are observable as in my case.

But easier to explain without invoking a deity.

I agree that your change from addiction to sober and the change in viewpoint is observable.

The question is whether it is best attributed to a deity or simply your belief in a deity.

Do you see the distinction?

 

[ElishaElijah]

But easier to explain without invoking a deity.

I agree that your change from addiction to sober and the change in viewpoint is observable.

The question is whether it is best attributed to a deity or simply your belief in a deity.

Do you see the distinction?

I lived 27 years making my own decisions and using my own intellect, doing what I thought best and ended up in a drug rehab, lost and without hope. Then I cried out to God for help, He was there in my room, I didn’t see anything but felt His presence right there, I knew He was real and He delivered me that moment. I haven’t had a drink or drug since, or cigarette, which I was smoking 2 packs of Marlboro a day, or chewing Copenhagen. He led me to Jesus Christ a year later and was saved a filled with the Holy Spirit, after that nothing was missing in my search for God who delivered me. This is a true account of what happened, I can’t tell you it wasn’t God who has done this, it would be a lie. Many such answers to prayer have happened over 30 years and continue. This isn’t a theory or empty belief. That’s it so please stop saying it wasn’t God or diety, when it is. The end because of rules

 

[ElishaElijah]

So morality depends on the specific covenant made? it isn't absolute?

I think morality and the question is incorrect? For example I have different rules for my daughters than I do for my sons, I have different rules for my 8 year old than I do for my 16 year old. We still have the same moral code. I may tell my 8 year old to stop running at the pool while my 16 year old I won’t. Also because of my addiction we didn’t have alcohol in the home and I discouraged drinking, there is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol, but that was our family. My adult children drink wine and beer now and it’s not immoral and don’t have problem with them drinking. Don’t have a problem being around alcohol or other people drinking, it’s not immoral or prohibited, for me it is.

 

[Polymath257]

I lived 27 years making my own decisions and using my own intellect, doing what I thought best and ended up in a drug rehab, lost and without hope. Then I cried out to God for help, He was there in my room, I didn’t see anything but felt His presence right there, I knew He was real and He delivered me that moment. I haven’t had a drink or drug since, or cigarette, which I was smoking 2 packs of Marlboro a day, or chewing Copenhagen. He led me to Jesus Christ a year later and was saved a filled with the Holy Spirit, after that nothing was missing in my search for God who delivered me. This is a true account of what happened, I can’t tell you it wasn’t God who has done this, it would be a lie. Many such answers to prayer have happened over 30 years and continue. This isn’t a theory or empty belief. That’s it so please stop saying it wasn’t God or diety, when it is. The end because of rules

I know you believe it was a God. I have no doubt about that. I also do not doubt your experience. What I doubt is your interpretation of that experience.

In any case, I'm glad you found yourself a way out of the addiction hole and into a belief system that works for you.

 

[ElishaElijah]

In any case, I'm glad you found yourself a way out of the addiction hole and into a belief system that works for you.

Thanks and have a great day!

 

[Polymath257]

I think morality and the question is incorrect? For example I have different rules for my daughters than I do for my sons, I have different rules for my 8 year old than I do for my 16 year old. We still have the same moral code. I may tell my 8 year old to stop running at the pool while my 16 year old I won’t. Also because of my addiction we didn’t have alcohol in the home and I discouraged drinking, there is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol, but that was our family. My adult children drink wine and beer now and it’s not immoral and don’t have problem with them drinking. Don’t have a problem being around alcohol or other people drinking, it’s not immoral or prohibited, for me it is.

So those prohibitions in the Bible were not moral dictates, but simply recommendations for certain people?

And which rules *are* for everyone? Are the 10 commandments recommendations for a few or are they rules for everyone? Because, upon reading the text, it seems to be specific rules for the Israelites.

 

[ElishaElijah]

So those prohibitions in the Bible were not moral dictates, but simply recommendations for certain people?

And which rules *are* for everyone? Are the 10 commandments recommendations for a few or are they rules for everyone? Because, upon reading the text, it seems to be specific rules for the Israelites.

The Book of Hebrews explains it all better than I could here but Chapters 7-10 explain this.

 

[ecco]

And…Where’s the error?

The error is that your omniscient (know it all) god thought shellfish was bad for people, then, on reflection realized it was not.

The error is that your omniscient (know it all) god wanted menstruating women out of the house because they were unclean, then, on reflection realized they were not.

The bigger error is your god making A&E to his exacting specifications and then being upset when they disobeyed him.

The bigger error is your omniscient god having to kill almost everything and needing to start over. You do understand the meaning of the word "omniscient" don't you?



But, of course, you will find some way to rationalize this, just as Trump supporters rationalize all his lies.

 

[ElishaElijah]

The error is that your omniscient (know it all) god thought shellfish was bad for people, then, on reflection realized it was not.

Or maybe He was waiting on the cocktail sauce.

 

[ElishaElijah]

The error is that your omniscient (know it all) god wanted menstruating women out of the house because they were unclean, then, on reflection realized they were not.

Or maybe wanted the women to have a break cause the husbands wouldn’t do any of the housework. Big party outside the camp for the women, they loved it.

 

[ElishaElijah]

The bigger error is your god making A&E to his exacting specifications and then being upset when they disobeyed him.

Or wasn’t into robots and let people choose, then when they were unmoved their head He bailed them out Himself.