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The Devil allows freedom of all false religions but not the true one.
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Rather than being about terrorism, I read
his responding to a post about Israel
staging a military first strike against Iran.
Sounds like self defense to me.
Are you an agent for the Quran, or a human that has the freedom from religion and can think for yourself?
And you totally ignored my question to you, which was:
No doubt a lot of the conflict between Islamic extremists and the West kills many innocent people. Who's going to convince Islamic extremists to be less extreme?
And as I recall, self-defense is usually considered on the more acceptable side.
Oddly the nation sponsors a professional cycling team that races in world tours, and hosts a Formula 1 race, so it's made a huge effort to be recognized as friendly to the West.
But few in the west would grant that accommodation to Iran.
Label'm "terrorist", & any heinous sin against them is cromulent.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Seems to me it is a two way street.
With BOTH sides claiming the higher moral ground but insisting the other side prove it first.
Looking at damage done, Ameristan is the overwhelming
winner in deaths caused. This country is the big dog.
Until it faces its malefaction, & switches to seeking peace,
hostilities will thrive.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
I would be most interested in the numbers and the sources of those numbers.
Yes, that is an issue, but others keep attacking them despite probably knowing what the result would be.
Shakeel
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Now this is why the word taqiyyah is thrown around so much. Because the shiites do use it as something other than the saving of their life in a threatening situation. But that's not from Islam.
Shakeel
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Impossible.
Shakeel
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So when the Israeli soldiers attacked a women's mosque, tell me, how did the women attack the soldiers before they were attacked and with what?
You realise it's the American domains that were seized, and we can still freely watch (for example) Al-Alam, right?
You really want to compare 'freedom' here?
Sure, I've posted sources before,
& will go get some again.
Edit....
This has an extensive summary of the lengthy Iran Iraq war.....
Iran–Iraq War - Wikipedia
It shows that similar to Israel, Iran is surrounded by dangerous enemies.
But even worse for Iran, its enemies included the biggest western powers.
And Ameristan was willing to use biological & chemical weapons on Iranians.
Excerpted....
Richard Murphy, Assistant Secretary of State during the war, testified to Congress in 1984 that the Reagan administration believed a victory for either Iran or Iraq was "neither militarily feasible nor strategically desirable".[25]:178
Support to Iraq was given via technological aid, intelligence, the sale of chemical and biological warfare technology and military equipment, and satellite intelligence.
Iraq's main financial backers were the oil-rich Persian Gulf states, most notably Saudi Arabia ($30.9 billion), Kuwait ($8.2 billion), and the United Arab Emirates ($8 billion).[207] In all, Iraq received $35 billion in loans from the West and between $30 and $40 billion from the Persian Gulf states during the 1980s.[234]
According to Iranian government sources, the war cost Iran an estimated 200,000–220,000 killed,[51][60][53][61] or up to 262,000 according to the conservative Western estimates.[51][52] This includes 123,220 combatants,[51][60] 60,711 MIA[51] and 11,000–16,000 civilians.[51][60] Combatants include 79,664 members of the Revolutionary Guard Corps and additional 35,170 soldiers from regular military.[60] In addition, prisoners of war comprise 42,875 Iranian casualties, they were captured and kept in Iraqi detention centres from 2.5 to more than 15 years after the war was over.[62] According to the Janbazan Affairs Organization, 398,587 Iranians sustained injuries that required prolonged medical and health care following primary treatment, including 52,195 (13%) injured due to the exposure to chemical warfare agents.[62] From 1980 to 2012, 218,867 Iranians died due to war injuries and the mean age of combatants was 23 years old.[62] This includes 33,430 civilians, mostly women and children.[62] More than 144,000 Iranian children were orphaned as a consequence of these deaths.[62] Other estimates put Iranian casualties up to 600,000.[55][56][57][58][195][196][197]
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Are you going to cite every incident so as to prove a point?
It's not always to save a life, if you can hide your faith and it would benefit Muslims or people, then you can do so. The believer who hid his faith among the family of Pharaohs, did it, so he can help believers. Of course, he can travel to somewhere else and profess his faith, but he decided to keep himself incognito.
What is thrown around a lot at us, is we lie about religion, this isn't true. When we profess we are Shiites, then we have to say nothing but the truth about our religion.
Here is the verse:
Said a man of faith from Pharaoh’s family, who concealed his faith, ‘Will you kill a man for saying, ‘‘My Lord is Allah,’’ while he has already brought you manifest proofs from your Lord? Should he be lying, his falsehood will be to his own detriment; but if he is truthful, there shall visit you some of what he promises you. Indeed Allah does not guide someone who is a transgressor and liar.
وَقَالَ رَجُلٌ مُؤْمِنٌ مِنْ آلِ فِرْعَوْنَ يَكْتُمُ إِيمَانَهُ أَتَقْتُلُونَ رَجُلًا أَنْ يَقُولَ رَبِّيَ اللَّهُ وَقَدْ جَاءَكُمْ بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ مِنْ رَبِّكُمْ ۖ وَإِنْ يَكُ كَاذِبًا فَعَلَيْهِ كَذِبُهُ ۖ وَإِنْ يَكُ صَادِقًا يُصِبْكُمْ بَعْضُ الَّذِي يَعِدُكُمْ ۖ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِي مَنْ هُوَ مُسْرِفٌ كَذَّابٌ
This verse also has a version of pascal's wager.
Said a man of faith from Pharaoh’s family, who concealed his faith, ‘Will you kill a man for saying, ‘‘My Lord is Allah,’’ while he has already brought you manifest proofs from your Lord? Should he be lying, his falsehood will be to his own detriment; but if he is truthful, there shall visit you some of what he promises you. Indeed Allah does not guide someone who is a transgressor and liar.
وَقَالَ رَجُلٌ مُؤْمِنٌ مِنْ آلِ فِرْعَوْنَ يَكْتُمُ إِيمَانَهُ أَتَقْتُلُونَ رَجُلًا أَنْ يَقُولَ رَبِّيَ اللَّهُ وَقَدْ جَاءَكُمْ بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ مِنْ رَبِّكُمْ ۖ وَإِنْ يَكُ كَاذِبًا فَعَلَيْهِ كَذِبُهُ ۖ وَإِنْ يَكُ صَادِقًا يُصِبْكُمْ بَعْضُ الَّذِي يَعِدُكُمْ ۖ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِي مَنْ هُوَ مُسْرِفٌ كَذَّابٌ
This verse also has a version of pascal's wager.