Authority of the apostles

[John1.12]

Paul was helped by both Anani'as and Barnabas after receiving revelation from Jesus on the way to Damascas as he lived with the former for a while.

There's no "goodness" in religious bigotry.

Have you ever gone to a Catholic mass? If so, did you pay attention from the sources of the reading, the prayers, and the homily [sermon] in terms of where they come from? Do you want me to post these sources?

Also, your bigotry is in violation of what Jude said, such as here:
Jude.1[19] It is these who set up divisions, worldly people, devoid of the Spirit.

Being 'helped 'is not being ' taught '.

 

[Deeje]

Catholicism is famous for Bible + tradition.

Also famous for misrepresenting what the Bible says, to justify the pagan origins of their beliefs and practices.

The “traditions” handed down through “the twelve” were in accord with what became Christian scripture.....the apostles did not teach anything that was out of harmony with what Jesus had taught them.

There is no mention of apostolic succession in the scriptures. “The twelve” were a unique group....so much so, that when Judas defected to betray Jesus, he was replaced. The twelve form the foundations of God’s kingdom. (Revelation 21:14)

The RCC’s many doctrines are in direct conflict with Christian teaching....altering the very nature of God himself, incorporating images in their worship, and elevating Mary to equal status with her son.

They have used the fear of “hell” to keep their flocks from straying, when there is no such place ever spoken about in the Bible because it does not teach that we have an immortal soul, or that God has any reason to torture anyone forever after their death.

I believe that they will have much to answer for when the judgment comes. (Matthew 7:21-23)

 

[metis]

Catholicism is famous for Bible + tradition.

As was the Church from the on-set:
1Cor.11[2] I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you

2Thes.2[15] So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.

2Thes.3[6] Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.


And this is why looking at how the early Church looked at things is so important, such as with Ignatius' letter to Clement.

 

[metis]

Being 'helped 'is not being ' taught '.

So, you believe that everything that Paul came to believe came from Jesus, eh? Sorry, but that's not how education really works as Paul certainly was not omniscient, such as his prediction that the end of times was near that he eventually backed off on.

 

[John1.12]

As was the Church from the on-set:
1Cor.11[2] I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you

2Thes.2[15] So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.

2Thes.3[6] Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.


And this is why looking at how the early Church looked at things is so important, such as with Ignatius' letter to Clement.

When it says 'traditions 'it does not mean the way you think it does ..It means the things Paul was sharing with them ,that are now scripture.

 

[John1.12]

So, you believe that everything that Paul came to believe came from Jesus, eh? Sorry, but that's not how education really works as Paul certainly was not omniscient, such as his prediction that the end of times was near that he eventually backed off on.

Everything that Paul was given by Jesus Christ was direct from him . Now I don't mean ,how he made tents , combed his hair and such ..I'm referring to the gospel of grace , the mysteries and such .
Gal 1
For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

 

[John1.12]

As was the Church from the on-set:
1Cor.11[2] I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you

2Thes.2[15] So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.

2Thes.3[6] Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.


And this is why looking at how the early Church looked at things is so important, such as with Ignatius' letter to Clement.

The 'early Church 'is not inspired . They taught so good and some really bad stuff . Referring back to the beginning ( outside of scripture) Is as useful as referring back to your teenage years ..Its later on comes the wisdom and maturity.

 

[metis]

When it says 'traditions 'it does not mean the way you think it does ..It means the things Paul was sharing with them ,that are now scripture.

Nope, as it also states within the NT that much more took place that was not written that shows up in one of the Gospels.

 

[metis]

Gal 1
For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

The key is what is the "it"? And what about Paul's error if all teachings were from Jesus? He even says that he cannot judge himself.

 

[metis]

The 'early Church 'is not inspired . They taught so good and some really bad stuff . Referring back to the beginning ( outside of scripture) Is as useful as referring back to your teenage years ..Its later on comes the wisdom and maturity.

Well then, Jesus must have lied when he promised he would guide his Church until the end of time, and I guess that what happened at Pentecost actually never occurred whereas the Bible says the Holy Spirit was given to help guide the Church.

However, the people within the Church, including some of the appointees, didn't always behave the way they should have, such as what happened with Peter's denial, Judas' betrayal, and Thomas' doubt.

BTW, which denomination/church do you belong to? I'm quite open with mine, so what about yours?

 

[John1.12]

Well then, Jesus must have lied when he promised he would guide his Church until the end of time, and I guess that what happened at Pentecost actually never occurred whereas the Bible says the Holy Spirit was given to help guide the Church.

However, the people within the Church, including some of the appointees, didn't always behave the way they should have, such as what happened with Peter's denial, Judas' betrayal, and Thomas' doubt.

BTW, which denomination/church do you belong to? I'm quite open with mine, so what about yours?

I'm non denomination.

 

[John1.12]

Well then, Jesus must have lied when he promised he would guide his Church until the end of time, and I guess that what happened at Pentecost actually never occurred whereas the Bible says the Holy Spirit was given to help guide the Church.

However, the people within the Church, including some of the appointees, didn't always behave the way they should have, such as what happened with Peter's denial, Judas' betrayal, and Thomas' doubt.

BTW, which denomination/church do you belong to? I'm quite open with mine, so what about yours?

The ' Church ' isn't an organisation. Its a ' body of believers ' .

 

[metis]

I'm non denomination.

Thanks, but it's "non-denominational".

BTW, I've gone to a fair number of services at these churches, both as a result of my studies as I taught a comparative religions course, and also going with friends and family. And, just for the record, in attending mass for almost 60 years now, I have never heard a priest or a deacon badmouth another denomination, thus taking pretty much a "to each his/her own" approach.

 

[metis]

The ' Church ' isn't an organisation. Its a ' body of believers ' .

It is both, such as what the word "ecclesia" means-- community.

Jesus selected the Twelve to run his Church after he was gone, and he gave them powers to bind & loosen, and also to make decisions guided by the HS. To deny that is to deny the Gospel itself.

 

[John1.12]

Thanks, but it's "non-denominational".

BTW, I've gone to a fair number of services at these churches, both as a result of my studies as I taught a comparative religions course, and also going with friends and family. And, just for the record, in attending mass for almost 60 years now, I have never heard a priest or a deacon badmouth another denomination, thus taking pretty much a "to each his/her own" approach.

Yes Ecumenism is very popular these days .

 

[John1.12]

It is both, such as what the word "ecclesia" means-- community.

Jesus selected the Twelve to run his Church after he was gone, and he gave them powers to bind & loosen, and also to make decisions guided by the HS. To deny that is to deny the Gospel itself.

I believe Roman Catholicism ideas on these matters is completely false .

 

[metis]

Yes Ecumenism is very popular these days .

I've been on board with that for almost 60 years now.

 

[metis]

I believe Roman Catholicism ideas on these matters is completely false .

Then you really don't fully believe what's in the NT, as certain patterns are really quite clear. But that's quite OK as I question almost everything [I'm an anthropologist, and that's pretty much just our nature]. Thus, it's obviously your choice to make what you choose to believe v not.

The Church has been around for almost 2000 years, and it was this same exact Church that chose the canon of the Bible during the 4th century that you are using. That doesn't give us any kind of monopoly on the Truth, but we pretty much do have a clue on what it teaches.

BTW, I originally belonged to a fundamentalist Protestant church, which I left for several reasons when I was in my 20's.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Paul is given direct revelation from Jesus. He is not taught by no man . If anyone was going to be the pope it should have been Paul , but thank goodness ,Roman Catholicism is false

According to the narrative, Paul defied the clear warning not to believe anyone saying they are the Christ. Yet he claimed apostleship.

There are people who maintain that Paul leads a counterfeit form of Christianity removed from the orginal apostles.

 

[John1.12]

I've been on board with that for almost 60 years now.

Thats the issue .