If humans can't unite on religion, is there a purpose to religion?

[McBell]

2
1 if u use comma

They are linked

that day will never come

You yourself listed at least three, the 2 above (1 if comma is used) and then:

I do respect others truths though
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So there is at least three, unless you respect ten other peoples truths, then we are up to 12....

Seems math is not your strong suit

 

[King Phenomenon]

You yourself listed at least three, the 2 above (1 if comma is used) and then:

I do respect others truths though
​

So there is at least three, unless you respect ten other peoples truths, then we are up to 12....

Seems math is not your strong suit

Okee dokee

 

[firedragon]

Religion isn't the ONLY good reason for war. Atheist or theist, there's going to be people willing to kill others for what they have.

his might be a good question if religious people had a remarkable history of peace and civility. They don't either.

It's more troubling that people who claim to have moral absolutes on their side yet can't manage to not kill others for greedy intentions. That's the real question: what's failing with religions?

I agree with you.

What’s failing with religions is the same thing that’s failing with everything else. But you should note that according to the encyclopedia of wars which is the most extensive record of all wars in recorded history only 7% were motivated by religion. So we all must think about it.

 

[firedragon]

War is an inherent, inescapable aspect of collective human nature. With or without religion, war will always exist.

I agree.

 

[King Phenomenon]

You yourself listed at least three, the 2 above (1 if comma is used) and then:

I do respect others truths though
​

So there is at least three, unless you respect ten other peoples truths, then we are up to 12....

Seems math is not your strong suit

There’s are not mine so that’s a big no in my book
U can count em if you’d like

 

[McBell]

There’s are not mine so that’s a big no in my book
U can count em if you’d like

So then you really do not respect them, right?

 

[rational experiences]

Perfect unity would require that we all thought the same way, but we could still hurt each other. Two believers can kill each other. Family members can, too. One person begins to think that another cannot be trusted and has betrayed them, and then they feel like they have been wronged and deserve retribution. It happens in families, among friends, among coworkers. This happens even when everyone has the same religion.

Father spiritual man lived life memories.

Says.

Each human family one self is DNA genesis owned separated. Each new baby different.

Once parents for any human self owned lived and expressed in family human the same mutual DNA.

Family group owned no conflict. We owned the same DNA.

Science was chosen against natural earth against nature.

We got irradiated separated then just as taught fighting ensued who is most correct who can be proven wrong. By DNA inheritance. Knowledge the higher self did it to us all.

Reasoning human was seeking self consolidation again. Gone forever. DNA can never be mutual one DNA body ever again as a human. Our advice taught. Yet ignored.

Religious chosen idealism is basic mutual law in all countries. To reunite your family is DNA family yourself after what science caused. By group strategy. Bring everyone to one place to meet.

Religious science to organise by group family unity and healing as a reform for mutual world trade. Was religious idealism. Which did not work.

Ignored teaching is a self preached advice accept difference. Accept mutual life sacrifice is world owned try and work together owning differences in full knowledge why.

So rise above what science caused by human choice.

 

[King Phenomenon]

So then you really do not respect them, right?

This conversation is getting weird
Peace

 

[McBell]

This conversation is getting weird
Peace

The "weird" started with post #34.
Then it went downhill from there.

But no worries.
There are a lot of people who have problems with math.

 

[sealchan]

To me, that answer is definitely no.

But there is an illusion that we can't, because we won't. God can make all us unite forcefully, but won't, at the same time, is very disappointed we have united on division and have agreed to not unite on the truth but leave everyone to their own path.

I believe the truth can be arrived at as a whole race, we can come to it. But those who know truth tend to be apathetic of teaching it to others while great majority of humans want to decide what to follow per their desires rather then submit to God.

As a result, it looks like uniting on truth is impossible, but it's not.

There is no such thing as a cohesive, final, consistent rational epistemology. Even the human brain would never stand for such a thing. What we have is a plurality of different ways of knowing truth.

Religion doesnt deal well with proofs. Proofs are for science. Religion is about finding your subjective value in a creation which might obliterate you at any moment and not so much as far as a result. To accomplish that you have to entertain some really wacky, but in the end, revelatory stuff. Religion works...especially if it isnt taken literally and then used as an irrational club to make others fall in line.

 

[King Phenomenon]

There is no such thing as a cohesive, final, consistent rational epistemology. Even the human brain would never stand for such a thing. What we have is a plurality of different ways of knowing truth.

Religion doesnt deal well with proofs. Proofs are for science. Religion is about finding your subjective value in a creation which might obliterate you at any moment and not so much as far as a result. To accomplish that you have to entertain some really wacky, but in the end, revelatory stuff. Religion works...especially if it isnt taken literally and then used as an irrational club to make others fall in line.

Really wacky is good

 

[Trailblazer]

So then, what is the purpose of religion?

I just noticed this thread as I was about to log out since it is late here, so I do not have time to read through all the posts, but I believe there is a purpose of religion and I have a passage from my scriptures handy, so here it is.

“The Great Being saith: O ye children of men! The fundamental purpose animating the Faith of God and His Religion is to safeguard the interests and promote the unity of the human race, and to foster the spirit of love and fellowship amongst men. Suffer it not to become a source of dissension and discord, of hate and enmity. This is the straight Path, the fixed and immovable foundation. Whatsoever is raised on this foundation, the changes and chances of the world can never impair its strength, nor will the revolution of countless centuries undermine its structure. Our hope is that the world’s religious leaders and the rulers thereof will unitedly arise for the reformation of this age and the rehabilitation of its fortunes. Let them, after meditating on its needs, take counsel together and, through anxious and full deliberation, administer to a diseased and sorely-afflicted world the remedy it requireth.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 215-216

 

[firedragon]

Religion doesnt deal well with proofs. Proofs are for science.

Do you have any proof that "religion does not deal well with proofs"?

 

[Neuropteron]

To me, that answer is definitely no.

But there is an illusion that we can't, because we won't. God can make all us unite forcefully, but won't, at the same time, is very disappointed we have united on division and have agreed to not unite on the truth but leave everyone to their own path.

I believe the truth can be arrived at as a whole race, we can come to it. But those who know truth tend to be apathetic of teaching it to others while great majority of humans want to decide what to follow per their desires rather then submit to God.

As a result, it looks like uniting on truth is impossible, but it's not.

Hi,
"Do not think I came to put peace upon the earth; I came to put, not peace, but a sword, For I came to cause division..." Matt 10:34,35.

The reason for this is that there can be no understanding between righteousness and unrighteousness, the truth and the lies.

Before there is unity, evil and those that support it, has to be eliminated.

 

[Trailblazer]

Hi,
"Do not think I came to put peace upon the earth; I came to put, not peace, but a sword, For I came to cause division..." Matt 10:34,35.

The reason for this is that there can be no understanding between righteousness and unrighteousness, the truth and the lies.

Before there is unity, evil and those that support it, has to be eliminated.

I do not think that evil has to be eliminated altogether before peace can be established because that is unrealistic.

 

[King Phenomenon]

I do not think that evil has to be eliminated altogether before peace can be established because that is unrealistic.

unfortunately unrealistic

 

[John1.12]

To me, that answer is definitely no.

But there is an illusion that we can't, because we won't. God can make all us unite forcefully, but won't, at the same time, is very disappointed we have united on division and have agreed to not unite on the truth but leave everyone to their own path.

I believe the truth can be arrived at as a whole race, we can come to it. But those who know truth tend to be apathetic of teaching it to others while great majority of humans want to decide what to follow per their desires rather then submit to God.

From Jesus own words ,I see it like this . There's many doors. Only one door leads to safety its green . Just one. Now many are believing the blue door leads to safety, there telling others to follow them. There's a yellow door and again it looks good and many are convinced by it . All these other doors lead to danger apart from this one green door . God wishes everyone to come to the green door and had done all to make it available to all , no excuses . But he also has given us free will to choose which door .

 

[Fallen Prophet]

To me, that answer is definitely no.

But there is an illusion that we can't, because we won't. God can make all us unite forcefully, but won't, at the same time, is very disappointed we have united on division and have agreed to not unite on the truth but leave everyone to their own path.

I believe the truth can be arrived at as a whole race, we can come to it. But those who know truth tend to be apathetic of teaching it to others while great majority of humans want to decide what to follow per their desires rather then submit to God.

As a result, it looks like uniting on truth is impossible, but it's not.

I don't believe that this is going to happen.

I mean - if the story of Genesis can be believed - Adam and Eve's own children rejected God and killed each other.

I don't believe we can become united in this life.

 

[Trailblazer]

From Jesus own words ,I see it like this . There's many doors. Only one door leads to safety its green . Just one. Now many are believing the blue door leads to safety, there telling others to follow them. There's a yellow door and again it looks good and many are convinced by it . All these other doors lead to danger apart from this one green door . God wishes everyone to come to the green door and had done all to make it available to all , no excuses . But he also has given us free will to choose which door .

I believe that in Jesus' day the green door was Christianity and God wanted everyone to come to the green door and made it available to all.

But time marches on and the green door is no longer Christianity. I believe that the green door is now the Baha'i Faith, but since God has given us free will to choose which door we want to walk through, most people still walk through the doors of the older religions. I believe that eventually that will change and all the peoples of the world will walk through one door and unite behind it, but it will take a long time since most people prefer old doors to new doors.

 

[John1.12]

I believe that in Jesus' day the green door was Christianity and God wanted everyone to come to the green door and made it available to all.

But time marches on and the green door is no longer Christianity. I believe that the green door is now the Baha'i Faith, but since God has given us free will to choose which door we want to walk through, most people still walk through the doors of the older religions. I believe that eventually that will change and all the peoples of the world will walk through one door and unite behind it, but it will take a long time since most people prefer old doors to new doors.

Yes thats what I meant . Jesus is that only door that leads to safety. He warned in his time and afterwards there would come many others saying to come through a different door. Your criteria fits Jesus s warning.