ElishaElijah
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Or make stuff up
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ElishaElijah
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And God did not sanction it.
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Right, God did not sanction slavery. Yet he told the Hebrews who and where they could buy lifetime slaves. He told them that they could trick their fellow Hebrews into lifelong slavery. And he even allowed fathers to sell their daughters as slaves. But he did not sanction it
ElishaElijah
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God did not sanction Lot offering his daughters to get raped. But hey, let’s not look at the men who wanted to rape the angels, right ? We don’t have slavery today you say, but we do have women and children being sold into slavery and the sex trade now, don’t we?Right, God did not sanction slavery. Yet he told the Hebrews who and where they could buy lifetime slaves. He told them that they could trick their fellow Hebrews into lifelong slavery. And he even allowed fathers to sell their daughters as slaves. But he did not sanction it
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How do you know that? You just want that to be true.
ElishaElijah
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Because the angels stopped it
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I only pointed them out because you flat out asked about them.
Otherwise I was keen to ignore them outside pointing out your tendency to lash out without paying attention to who you are saying what to...
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So long as they are not violating the rules of owning slaves laid out in the Bible, god has no problem with it.
So why should you?
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Yes, instead of sitting on their rears they decided to do something. That does not mean that God did not sanction that activity. Let's say the magical power of the angels was low that day, for example their might have been iron wheels somewhere near by. Then what? If the angels went after the crowd the crowd would have had what they wanted. Do you think that God would not have approved of the attempted saving of the angels in that case?
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So Lot went out to them through the doorway, shut the door behind him, and said, “Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly! See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish
ecco
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Who are they? Can you name them? Are the people recording the incident with Lot and his daughters [Genesis] the same people who wrote about how God created Eve [Genesis]?
See post # 1210.
Your ability to read is in serious question. I have no other way to understand what you wrote here.
Where did I say I hate quoting scripture? I didn't. I quote scripture all the time to people who twist and turn what the words actually say.
Obviously, I have. That's why I can point out the nonsense that you spout.
ElishaElijah
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Yes Lot did that
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I [ecco] gave two examples in one post...
You focused on the first by trying to argue you didn't know who wanted to give his daughters to the mob (it was Lot).
You chose to ignore the example I gave in Numbers.
Numbers begins...
1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites
15And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
25And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 26Take the sum of the prey that was taken,
It's clear to anyone who can read that "the Lord" is telling Moses what to do and Moses is passing it on the priests and generals.15And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
25And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 26Take the sum of the prey that was taken,
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And the Bible says that Lot was righteous. That implies that God approved of his actions. Including offering his daughters. By the way, this is not the only time a "righteous" man did that in the Bible.
ElishaElijah
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“What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.”
Romans 4:1-4 NKJV
Do you understand that our works don’t make us righteous before God but believing what He says. That’s why you are wrong.
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Quotes out of context of a book of myths do not help you. It does not say that it was just because he believed. Try again.
Anyone can play that silly game and I can show that righteousness is tied to works:
Ezekiel 18:5-9 ESV /
“If a man is righteous and does what is just and right— if he does not eat upon the mountains or lift up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, does not defile his neighbor's wife or approach a woman in her time of menstrual impurity, does not oppress anyone, but restores to the debtor his pledge, commits no robbery, gives his bread to the hungry and covers the naked with a garment, does not lend at interest or take any profit, withholds his hand from injustice, executes true justice between man and man, walks in my statutes, and keeps my rules by acting faithfully—he is righteous; he shall surely live, declares the Lord God.
ElishaElijah
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I was dealing with one example at a time and addressed the first one. When you admit you were wrong about God and He didn’t have anything to do with Lot offering his daughters and that you slandered God by your comments on this situation then I will gladly move on and answer the next one.
ElishaElijah
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You need to try again because all our works are filthy rags in God’s sight. If you can’t agree on the clear teaching of Scripture then don’t bother talking to me.The Scripture isn’t out of context.
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Lot was still seen as righteous and his work was a "righteous" one And I edited my previous post to show you that I can abuse the Bible too.
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Nope. you are just cherry picking verses.
That is the cool thing about the Bible. One can get it to say almost anything.